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I was playing a kid that went by Ace Brown in Salt Lake City he left himself short on his final ball before the 8 his comment was "it looks like I'm going to need my road shot" he then executed what you see in the example. I never felt that it was worth mastering because it is a lot of practice for a shot that would seldom be needed but it was impressive and he shot it like it was easy.
 

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This is another shot that is not as hard as most people think, the trick is to shorten the angle off of the rail. In this case if the object ball is 1/4 inch or so off of the rail it is a 70%-80% shot. Shoot the cue with low left and fire it by doing this you will be able to contact the bank rail at a spot that is much more in straight line with the object ball. if the cue ball hits the second rail the english will cause it to cling an the rail for 3/8 of an inch or so. The key is to stroke the cue with low, reverse(unnatural english) and hit it hard. This is a considerably tougher shot then the others that I posted. However it is a very make able shot I throw it into every 3rd or 4th practice session and I make 6-8 out of 10 attempts.
 
Neil said:
This is true for a bar table. A 9' table you may have to hit a hair lower. You need position on the 3. Most people think that you need to draw the cueball. You don't. All you need to do is hit the cb at 9:00, the spin will bring it back. No draw necessary.
(the 2 is one ball width off the rail)

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This shot is a must have in your bag of tricks. If you understand it in it's infinite variations. It will provide you with the ability to play area shape. meaning if you can get the cue ball somewhere near the center of the table you will have a decent play. This situation comes up all the time and you are cutting yourself short if you don't have a good grasp of this shot.
 
I agree that many (not all) of these are fundamental shots to have in your bag of tricks. However (and maybe it's just semantics), I think the stroke for all these shots is the same except for the speed. The differences are simply where you hit the cue ball - what kind of spin you put on it - which, to me, isn't stroke but tip placement.

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Neil said:
This is true for a bar table. A 9' table you may have to hit a hair lower. You need position on the 3. Most people think that you need to draw the cueball. You don't. All you need to do is hit the cb at 9:00, the spin will bring it back. No draw necessary.
(the 2 is one ball width off the rail)

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Maybe I'm nuts, but I don't believe this can be done unless you hit below center on the cue ball. On my table, if I hit this shot at 9:00 o'clock, even with lots of speed, the cue ball goes like this:

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...because it picks up forward spin on the way to the object ball, which overpowers the sidespin.

EDIT: Oh, now I see your comment about it working on a bar table. I'm still surprised.
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Rail first with a little bit of bottom and a lot of left so the cueball goes to the rail and the spin takes it downtable. Looks cool when it works.
 
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The most important shot in my bag is definitely the kill shot, along with cheating the pocket. Being able to do this consistently removes the need for a lot of multi rail positional shots.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Maybe I'm nuts, but I don't believe this can be done unless you hit below center on the cue ball. On my table, if I hit this shot at 9:00 o'clock, even with lots of speed, the cue ball goes like this:

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...because it picks up forward spin on the way to the object ball, which overpowers the sidespin.

EDIT: Oh, now I see your comment about it working on a bar table. I'm still surprised.
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Hit the 2 ball full aim it like the arrow in the diagram and stroke the ball, if the table is fast then pocket speed is ideal if you have to hit it harder then you will have to adjust the aiming point a little.
 
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Same spin slower stroke....It just seems to throw the cueball down more than left spin alone
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This is one of my favorite shots. The draw seems counter-intuitive, but seems to help get the cue ball down table on a straighter angle. You are hitting the cue ball low, but not with the speed to have the cue ball come backwards after contact. I have heard stories of Efren making incredible shots using this technique during his many trips to Philly.
 
Its interesting that many of the shots we came up with are inside english shots. Most consider them "special" simply because they are not played enough. I think people who shy away from it, are throwing away half of their potential.
 

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Here is an example of a make able shot, the thing is it is more of a novelty then a tool. The advantages I find in knowing how to make a shot like this is realized in cases that are not as extreme and really aren't encountered often. In the examples where balls are tied up, knowing how they react is more valuable to a straight pool player or on a bar box then they are in a game of 9 ball on a 9'. my intentions in the examples I gave were to show some easy shots that are overlooked by many players. In my opinion the guy that is really good at the game has the knowledge to get himself out of a jam but more importantly after he is out of the jam he can get in line and stay in line. I remember watching Buddy Hall, on his first shot the cueball may have mad english but shots 2 thru 9 were middle ball or 1 tip out of center. He just always seemed to have the perfect angle. There was a saying when I was in the service "keep it simple stupid" knowledge is always an asset but often in pool simple consistency wins. I seldom see young players practice or study the break but I see them practicing masse's. The break is the most important shot of the game.
 
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I was playing a kid that went by Ace Brown in Salt Lake City he left himself short on his final ball before the 8 his comment was "it looks like I'm going to need my road shot" he then executed what you see in the example. I never felt that it was worth mastering because it is a lot of practice for a shot that would seldom be needed but it was impressive and he shot it like it was easy.
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How do you make the cue ball travel like that?
 
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I was playing a kid that went by Ace Brown in Salt Lake City he left himself short on his final ball before the 8 his comment was "it looks like I'm going to need my road shot" he then executed what you see in the example. I never felt that it was worth mastering because it is a lot of practice for a shot that would seldom be needed but it was impressive and he shot it like it was easy.
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how does this work now?????
 
It is a masse, it is not real practical shot, Elevated cue with reverse english, to me it is more trouble then it is worth but it is cool
 
Mike Davis layed this on me at a Joss event. Score was like 4-3 and he jacks up on the one. He made it, along with every ball after that. pounded me 9-4.

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