Spliced or floating points

Canadian cue said:
Granted this statement is true but the procedure is not always necessary. Accuracy in threading is only relavent when your thread has to be capable of maintaining the concentricity between mating parts. If you are using the thread only as a means to bring two pieces together and are using a tennon to create concentricity then milling the internal thread is probably not necessary. As far as the external thread, die's were never intended for cutting wood so I would never argue that point about milling the external thread.
This is my last responce on this subject :D .

Keep doing what you are doing and you will be fine. I'm sure if it works for you and has worked for you, it will continue working for you, and you will keep getting the results you have been getting, that i am sure you are happy with.

Godspeed.

Jon
 
Canadian cue said:
Ok Bandido, you win, I am resigning from this debate. Something tells me you have had this debate concerning full-splice vs half-splice once or twice before and to continue it would be futile. So I will end by thanking you once again for your time and I will ponder over what you have said.
I guess both of us reaped rewards from this, it's great to acquire info that initiates a different angle of approach to understanding something. Thanks for tickleing the noggin.
Edwin Reyes
 
willie cue , i gave some more thought to the subject. i can understand how you didnt follow my analogies. i assumed you would, being you made cues.sorry my bad.
when i say part of the structure i mean it becomes part of the mechanical structure.
like with a fullsplice the splice actually becomes the handle.
and with the short splice this cluster you have glued up is actually what you connect the handle to. in most cases. like george gus.
this does not happen with floating points?
being old school i like things done the old way.
but its too time consuming for people trying to make money.
much esier to do things in the virtual world and then push a button and let the machine do the work, which is fine but could you imagine some of these new farout designs done the old way????? wow
of course who would want to make those patterns by hand??
 
Just to clairify ...

merylane said:
willie cue , i gave some more thought to the subject. i can understand how you didnt follow my analogies. i assumed you would, being you made cues.sorry my bad.
when i say part of the structure i mean it becomes part of the mechanical structure.
like with a fullsplice the splice actually becomes the handle.
and with the short splice this cluster you have glued up is actually what you connect the handle to. in most cases. like george gus.

I am not trying to be a know-it-all but simply sharing some things as I see them. These are just my opinions from what I have learned over the last four and a half years making a few cues. So ... please ... take it for what it is worth and feel free to correct me if you think I am misinformed.

Take a full splice cue and cut into just below the splice.
Screw and glue it back together and you now have a half splice.
The half splice is weaker then the full splice because it has an extra joint.
The "A" joint as it is called.
The relevent question is not 'how strong is it' but rather 'is it strong enough'.
If the cue fails from normal use then it obvioulsy was not.
If it holds up for years and years with no problems then it was.
So the issue of which type is stronger is really not an issue at all.
A pool cue was never designed to withstand a hundred pounds of side force or being slamed down on the table or thrown to the floor after a missed shot.
That is abuse and if something fails dont be suprised.

merylane said:
this does not happen with floating points?

Half splice and floating point cues are the same in as much as both uasualy have a "A" joint and both have a cavitys in the forearm that have been filled with other material. That is why I said they were much the same not ...THE same but ... much the same. Floating points uasualy do not touch the "A" joint as the half splice points do ... but they could ... or even run across it. Hope this clears that up.

merylane said:
being old school i like things done the old way.
but its too time consuming for people trying to make money.
much esier to do things in the virtual world and then push a button and let the machine do the work

This is a common misconception by people that do not own or operate a CNC machine. Sure .. after you spend many hours learning to operate your machine, adjusting and tuning it, learning how to use the software, drawing the designs, creating and debuging the G-code, running test pieces, and hoping the bit dont break, yeah ... you push the button and watch the machine do all the work. Remember ... you need to do all this for the pocket and the inlay piece as well. If they dont fit right then it is back to the drawing board. But when you get everything running right it is a thing of beauty. I have done several half splice cues in 4, 5, and 6, points and they look much like everyone elses half splice cue. Not much you can change except the material and veneer color. The CNC machine allows me to design and inlay anything I can think up and figure out how to program into the machine. This is its greatest asset. It allows me to make cues that look different that all the cues you see in cue shops across the country. The CNC machine can also produce shafts with any profile you program it to cut. You can cut one or one hundred and they all will have the same profile. That is very handy when a customer wants you to make him a second shaft profiled like his first one. It also can be doing something while I am doing something else. Most of this can be done with a pantograph machine and about the only difference from the CNC machine is that the computer is guiding the stylus around the pattern template instead of your hand.
All in all it is the finished product that counts and it is just as easy to make crappy cues with a CNC machine as it is to make them by hand.
 
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yeh. but the guy wanted to know about the differences. not the strengths or simularitys.
 
merylane said:
yeh. but the guy wanted to know about the differences. not the strengths or simularitys.

Other than what you see ... the way they look ... what difference is there?
Did I not discribe the way they are constructed well enough for someone to understand the differences?
Perhaps there is something you wish me to clarify?
 
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