Spotting 7 And 8
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Legally sink the 7,8, or 9
Yep....what he said.BazookaJoe said:
If you're giving up that kind of spot.....the 7, 8, and 9 are all the same to your opponent.
You win on the 9 alone.....he wins on the 7, 8, or 9.
All it means is your opponent has 3 money balls (7,8 and 9) on the table and you have one money ball, the 9 ball. During a game, if your opponent makes a legal shot and pockets one of his money balls, he wins.
If you are shooting at one of his money balls (7,8 and 9) and scratch or foul, that ball respots if pocketed for your opponent and he has ball in hand. If he scratches while making the 7 or 8, the ball does not respot.
There are different variations of this spot, the wild 7 and 8, the call 7 and 8, etc.
If you are shooting at one of his money balls (7,8 and 9) and scratch or foul, that ball respots if pocketed for your opponent and he has ball in hand. If he scratches while making the 7 or 8, the ball does not respot.
There are different variations of this spot, the wild 7 and 8, the call 7 and 8, etc.
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THE FLASH said:
Giving someone the 7 and 8 (otherwise known as the 7 and out) means that those balls win the game for the opponent just as the 9-ball would. It's a fairly big spot, particularly if you're giving them up wild (meaning that those balls win the game even if they are made by luck). Generally, the rule is that if you make one of your opponent's spot balls on the break they are spotted after your inning is over. Additionally, the spot balls are also brought back up if you sink them on a push out. If the opponent is receiving a call 7 and 8 and he/she makes one or both on the break, they are placed on the spot immediately after the break.
Since it sounds like you're new to the business of 9-ball handicapping, please allow me to issue one word of caution. Unless you are AT LEAST a "B" player that's matched up against with someone that's at least two levels below you, or unless your opponent can't make a ball, the 7 and out is simply too big a spot to give ("C" players have no business giving each other spots). Once again, unless you're a runout player or your opponent can't play at all, reconsider the spot. If you negotiate a bad game for yourself you will often have lost the match even before the coin is flipped. Caveat emptor!
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To be clear, I would term that the "wild 7&8". You can also play "call 7&8" which means he has to do just that to make it a legal win...call the shot on the 7 or 8. A slopped 7 or 8 just extends his turn at the table.8-ball Rat said:
To muddy things up a bit, what do you do if a 7 or 8 is pocketed on a push-out? What about on a non-legal break? Most places allow the ball to be spotted at the opponents discretion.
EDIT: Wow, I'm a slow typer. Two guys beat me to it. LOL
You guys are leaving some key components out. It isn't just making the 7 or 8 legally but before they are pocketed they must be called. That is unless you are really generous and are giving the 7 and 8 wild. If the person who is giving the spot is breaking and pocket either the 7 or 8, those balls only come back up after their inning is over. For example, they pocket the 7 on the break and run out only to the 6, then the 7 is respotted. If they run out to the 8(whether they pocket the 8 or not), then the 7 stays down. If the person giving the spot calls a push and pockets the opponents money ball, the money ball is immediately respotted.
Now if the person who is receiving the spot is breaking and makes either the 7, 8 or even both; they are respotted immediately with the lowest ball in front. There is no calling of any money balls on the break for a win. The only win on a break is the 9 ball. If the person recieving the spot calls a push and pockets his money ball than the ball is considered dead and stays down.
That's all I can think of now... I might be missing a few minor details... but I hope this helps.
Now if the person who is receiving the spot is breaking and makes either the 7, 8 or even both; they are respotted immediately with the lowest ball in front. There is no calling of any money balls on the break for a win. The only win on a break is the 9 ball. If the person recieving the spot calls a push and pockets his money ball than the ball is considered dead and stays down.
That's all I can think of now... I might be missing a few minor details... but I hope this helps.
Here are things to discuss with opponent. I've seen an argument over these points.
1) If the seven and nine both go in on the break, but the breaker scratches, how are the balls spotted?
2) If the player being spotted breaks and makes the seven or eight but scratches on the break, is the money ball respotted? I've heard some claim that the spot balls stay down if the spotted player scratches while making them on the break.
3) If the player offering the spot pushes after pocketing one of the spotted balls on the break, what rules govern the replacement of the spot ball?
4) If, during the course of play, the money ball is made but the player scratches, when is the ball spotted?
1) If the seven and nine both go in on the break, but the breaker scratches, how are the balls spotted?
2) If the player being spotted breaks and makes the seven or eight but scratches on the break, is the money ball respotted? I've heard some claim that the spot balls stay down if the spotted player scratches while making them on the break.
3) If the player offering the spot pushes after pocketing one of the spotted balls on the break, what rules govern the replacement of the spot ball?
4) If, during the course of play, the money ball is made but the player scratches, when is the ball spotted?
Yea I gave 2 people the 8 yesterday and they just decided to make it wild. I haven't been gambling very much so I didn't say anything. I don't know if they were just trying to taking advantage of me or what but I still won 
Eric.A.
Eric.A.
And this is why ...
You have to talk about rules and spots BEFORE YOU PLAY. You and VIP play different than we play in the Midwest. On the wild 7 & 8, any money ball made on the break by the one getting the spot counts as a win, and when the one giving the spot makes the 7 or 8 on the break, they stay down. That rule you stated, only the 9 counts on the break, was an afterthought by guys that were getting hammered before.
Also, when the one giving the spot makes the 7 or 8 on an ILLEGAL shot, such as hiiting the wrong ball first or scratching, etc, it comes up immediately and before the next shot is shot. The inning is always over, except when making it on a pushout, so if you say it comes back up and gets respotted immediately when it is made out of turn, that covers all cases.
In most cases, anyone offering such a spot is a runout player, and the one being spotted will only get a shot on the 7,8, or 9 about 3 games out of ten, if they are lucky, or unless they are ducks in front of the pocket.
PoolFool said:
You have to talk about rules and spots BEFORE YOU PLAY. You and VIP play different than we play in the Midwest. On the wild 7 & 8, any money ball made on the break by the one getting the spot counts as a win, and when the one giving the spot makes the 7 or 8 on the break, they stay down. That rule you stated, only the 9 counts on the break, was an afterthought by guys that were getting hammered before.
Also, when the one giving the spot makes the 7 or 8 on an ILLEGAL shot, such as hiiting the wrong ball first or scratching, etc, it comes up immediately and before the next shot is shot. The inning is always over, except when making it on a pushout, so if you say it comes back up and gets respotted immediately when it is made out of turn, that covers all cases.
In most cases, anyone offering such a spot is a runout player, and the one being spotted will only get a shot on the 7,8, or 9 about 3 games out of ten, if they are lucky, or unless they are ducks in front of the pocket.
THE FLASH said:
if you don't know than you shouldn't be giving it......
lol i was about to type the same thing.......normally as a player starting out you would have played some good players who could give you this spot.....and thats when youd learn all about it and then when you get good enough to give it, you already know lol. Either youre a phenomenonal talent, lucky, or the guys youre playing havent picked up a cue before, cuz the 7 and out is a heck of a spot. Like someone said, to give that spot youve got to be a pretty decent player, at least a B, to win more than you lose.Mystick Cue Fan said:if you don't know than you shouldn't be giving it......