Same MO as usual, filled with distortions & mischaracterizations.
I'm not wasting my time with the nonconstructive crap that you want to draw me into for your own purposes.
Stan posted another youtube---Subjectivity, Objectivity, and a little CTE
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Same MO as usual, filled with distortions & mischaracterizations.
I'm not wasting my time with the nonconstructive crap that you want to draw me into for your own purposes.
This was CJ's post on 4-11-15 in the 'Best Practices' Thread when he was replying to Neil.
The elbow actually starts the forward motion, like Ronnie O'Sullivan says, it's like hitting the cue ball with your elbow (because it starts the motion).
If we're wrong why do you get so upset trying to defend your opinions?
How much do you play, teach, or compete? Never? Or do you play on your 7' Bar Table in your basement and consider yourself well seasoned?
Face it, everyone looks different playing this game (although there are common denominators), it's best to understand how to deal with this on a level that will help anyone and everyone improve.
This was DTL's post a bit later on 4-11-15 in the same thread.
Tonythetiger, it appears you never got the real answer to your question from the other thread. It's just using Ronnie's name and the phrase "hitting with the elbow" to spark peoples curiosity......baiting.
Below is a chopped video with Ronnie giving some instruction to a couple young lads. When discussing the cuing action with them he taps his shoulder and says "always keep this still" and then says "always hit with the elbow"........clearly he was simply saying flex the elbow which results in a forward, straight movement of the cue. Looks to me like he was advocating a pendulum stroke. .............which the student executed perfectly at the end of the chopped video.
The elbow actually starts the forward motion, like Ronnie O'Sullivan says, it's like hitting the cue ball with your elbow (because it starts the motion).
If we're wrong why do you get so upset trying to defend your opinions?
How much do you play, teach, or compete? Never? Or do you play on your 7' Bar Table in your basement and consider yourself well seasoned?
Face it, everyone looks different playing this game (although there are common denominators), it's best to understand how to deal with this on a level that will help anyone and everyone improve.
This was DTL's post a bit later on 4-11-15 in the same thread.
Tonythetiger, it appears you never got the real answer to your question from the other thread. It's just using Ronnie's name and the phrase "hitting with the elbow" to spark peoples curiosity......baiting.
Below is a chopped video with Ronnie giving some instruction to a couple young lads. When discussing the cuing action with them he taps his shoulder and says "always keep this still" and then says "always hit with the elbow"........clearly he was simply saying flex the elbow which results in a forward, straight movement of the cue. Looks to me like he was advocating a pendulum stroke. .............which the student executed perfectly at the end of the chopped video.
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You don't read too well do you? If you can't see the disparity between what CJ said, and of course, you didn't quote all the rest of what he said, and what Ronnie was referring to, well, you must be blinded by your favoritism.
As far as my credentials, I have stated them several times on here, which you well know about. I see no need to state them again. I'm not into bragging as some are. So, trying to discredit my credentials is nothing more than an outright distortion and falsehood to make yourself look better. Very typical of you.
ps- when you say you aren't going to respond, and you do just four minutes later, you should edit your first post to reflect that.
Look at Chapter 6 Disc 1 "CTE PRO ONE STRAIGHT INS"
Tell me what you don't understand.
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My quote of CJ in Post #22 is all of that post that is present. I did not purposely not quote anything more that CJ said in that post as there is nothing else there said by CJ to quote.
After DTL's post on the subject, that thread then went off on a series of other topics.
I scanned the thread & I did not see another post about what Mr. O'Sullivan said or how it related to what CJ said.
Having to constantly correct incorrect implications is getting rather tiring & boring.
My quote of CJ in Post #22 is all of that post that is present. I did not purposely not quote anything more that CJ said in that post as there is nothing else there said by CJ to quote.
After DTL's post on the subject, that thread then went off on a series of other topics.
I scanned the thread & I did not see another post about what Mr. O'Sullivan said or how it related to what CJ said.
Having to constantly correct incorrect implications is getting rather tiring & boring.
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many thanks
On 4-9-15, prior to his response to Neil that I posted earlier, here is a post that CJ made to Ralph Kramden, in the Dropping the Elbow thread about Mr. O'Sullivan's 'thinking' about the elbow & the related keeping it out in front & the related "This isn't literal' disclaimer comment.
Ronnie O'Sullivan thinks of hitting the cue ball with his elbow.....many people can benefit from trying this technique, it works for me and many I've suggested it to over the last year.
All sports I've participated in require a precise elbow movement (golf, tennis, baseball, basketball). I've found that many players don't know how to position their elbow in FRONT of their body properly. The pool stroke is so much easier when there's an attempt to keep it in front of your line of sight. This isn't literal, however, I do get the sensation that I'm shooting "out of my chest" (or the center of my body).
On 4-13-15 CJ made this follow up post to TonytheTiger in the Dropping the Elbow thread:
When you think of "hitting with your elbow" it does two postive things.
First, it keeps your arm, wrist and fingers together as more of a unit, so they stay in sync.
Second, it help the player from "jumping" on the forward stroke after they pause. Pausing, is what we call "The Gathering of the Shot," which helps control the cue's speed, thus the cue ball's reaction (essential to control the cue ball for more effective position play)
Whether the elbow drops or not not relevant to the outcome of the shot and is best allowed to naturally happen. The player's body type, especially the shape of their hand, wrist, and forearm determine what their elbow does before and after contact.
We were not put on this earth to perform the pool stroke, so it's important to understand the kineseology of the motion, and how it fits the players individual style and preference
Ronnie O'Sullivan thinks of hitting the cue ball with his elbow.....many people can benefit from trying this technique, it works for me and many I've suggested it to over the last year.
All sports I've participated in require a precise elbow movement (golf, tennis, baseball, basketball). I've found that many players don't know how to position their elbow in FRONT of their body properly. The pool stroke is so much easier when there's an attempt to keep it in front of your line of sight. This isn't literal, however, I do get the sensation that I'm shooting "out of my chest" (or the center of my body).
On 4-13-15 CJ made this follow up post to TonytheTiger in the Dropping the Elbow thread:
When you think of "hitting with your elbow" it does two postive things.
First, it keeps your arm, wrist and fingers together as more of a unit, so they stay in sync.
Second, it help the player from "jumping" on the forward stroke after they pause. Pausing, is what we call "The Gathering of the Shot," which helps control the cue's speed, thus the cue ball's reaction (essential to control the cue ball for more effective position play)
Whether the elbow drops or not not relevant to the outcome of the shot and is best allowed to naturally happen. The player's body type, especially the shape of their hand, wrist, and forearm determine what their elbow does before and after contact.
We were not put on this earth to perform the pool stroke, so it's important to understand the kineseology of the motion, and how it fits the players individual style and preference
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It took me a long time to appreciate CTE and it's objectivity.
Why don't you arrange some lessons with Stan.: smile:
1. He used Ronnies name as support for his claim.
2. He had no idea what Ronnie was even talking about.
3. He took what Ronnie said totally out of context in every way. Even contradicted what Ronnie said.
4. Your defense of him is to re-post what he did, and thereby showcase the problem.
Don't ever try and be a trial lawyer for anyone.
Sure.
The greater controversy in CTE is over what makes an entire aiming system "objective". Most CTE users claim overall objectivity for CTE, apparently based on the fact that some "visible" CB/OB points are used for initial alignment purposes. Others (like myself) say that even though objectively visible CB/OB points are used for initial "orientation" (like starting each shot by aligning center-to-edge) the actual aiming is done "by feel" from there.
There are other "fractional" aiming systems/methods - I don't use any of them, but I think they can be useful no matter how you think of them.
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1. He used Ronnies name as support for his claim.
2. He had no idea what Ronnie was even talking about.
3. He took what Ronnie said totally out of context in every way. Even contradicted what Ronnie said.
4. Your defense of him is to re-post what he did, and thereby showcase the problem.
Don't ever try and be a trial lawyer for anyone.
The general readership can make their own determinations when they have the facts without all of your slant being put on it all.
Then please stop putting your slant on everything.
I provided the actual words of CJ's posts.
In the sense that there are no markings on a solid OB or a stripe ball that is not aligned with the CB, I would agree that there are no truely objective aim points. You do have to develop the ability to accurately estimate the quarter and eighth ball points. With that being said IMO Stan should offer a practice ball that has marks on it for A,B,C, and the 1/8th points instead of saying go get a set of old Sentinials. I believe it would aid in developing the ability to see each perception for those that are having a problem seeing these points.
Even if Stan did it and as soon as he introduced a training ball, the anti-CTE police would be in a furor over a product which they deemed as worthless with more huckstering and snake oil comments as they've always done over the years. It's a mob mentality with a few instigating antagonists who go back almost two decades ago that continue to fuel the fires.
CTE success continues to grow but so does the ill gotten reputations of loud mouth naysayers who attach themselves to the subject like barnacles. Stan would be wasting his time, money, and efforts.
I'd like to see a forum dedicated to CTE, maybe off Stan's site. That way he would be able to moderate the discussion and CTE users could get their questions answered without all the fodder that derails every CTE thread on this forum. I'm enjoying CTE so far, 2 weeks in and I am having a lot of success with it.
Do you really need a special cue ball to estimate quarter of a ball?
Now there's a great idea. Anti-CTE BARNACLES get screened before registration and booted off if they sneak through with the typical negative crap. Players can and always have been able to make up their own minds if it's improving their games or not by playing pool. They either get it and CTE works better for them or they don't get it and CTE doesn't work as well so they move on.
Nobody needs douc*e bag keyboard cowboys trying to save the world from a fate which they deem is worse than Ebola.
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