Stan Shuffett's: Pro One DVD

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I couldn't find a thread started about this, so here goes one. If I did overlook a thread started about this DVD, I apologize.

I know there are a ton of haters out there who don't believe in CTE. So this should he an interesting topic of discussion. I have a few points to make; Firstly, I started using CTE about two years ago, and have done okay with it. I simply used to use the edge of the OB as a reference point, and adjust from there. Now prior to using this system I started out as a feel player, then when to Ghost Ball, then CTE and ultimately now to Pro One.

This is the only aiming system that I have seen that uses what I would call a scientific method to making balls. After all, this is all basic geometry and physics, and in the mathematical world we live in today, every time you add 2+2 it always equals 4. That's math, geometry is no different, pool is geometry and math, therefore there has to be a mathematical way to make balls. Pro One, is the mathematical way to make balls. it gives you guidelines, rules, and when followed you make balls. Much like algebra, your given guidelines how to figure an equation, rules, then when you follow the rules you will find the solution.

There is a simple reason why in my opinion most of the great players use the edge of the ball to make shots, because it works. I have talked in deep conversations with many pros, I have hung out with them, played with them and over the past number of years picked their brains. Parallel lines, edges of balls, edges of shafts, staying close to center cue ball, are all words that each player used to describe how they play pool.

Now, say what you will about CTE, but it works. Stan has outline the rules to follow, and from there basic geometry and physics drop balls. Personally I think it is grossly under priced for the content that is being sold. Meanwhile, it is affordable to the everyday pool player to include your league players. Having this as a foundation of your pool game; can change it entirely, in my opinion. I think this can transform a B player to a AA in the matter of a few months.

Simply put, not having this DVD in your collection as your go to guide to playing pool, is unacceptable. This is a must have, and I have not been paid to say this, or asked to write this. I paid my $45.00 and waited a two days for shipment. If you want to improve your game, and you have established proper fundamentals this DVD is for you. Amazing material.
 
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I couldn't find a thread started about this, so here goes one. If I did overlook a thread started about this DVD, I apologize.

I think this can transform a B player to a AA in the matter of a few months.

You must be pulling our leg on that first one, but either way..

Since you have used it and have strong beliefs in how much it can change a player's speed.. do you, yourself, have any specific gains you can point to(APA#s, BCA, tournaments, etc)? B to AA.. that's a pretty big jump.

I'm not knocking it.. I'm just wondering what your benefits were if you're saying a B can go to AA, since you didn't mention anything at all about your own game. :confused:
 
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I want to add that having a STRONG foundation of fundamentals is the key to success. But this system gives you guidelines to follow, so that when you get down on a shot, you know the ball is dropping. There is no question, its science, and there is no guess work.

Now do I think an APA 2 can pick up this DVD, watch it and get better. No. The answer is completely no. A foundation of fundamentals is important to understand the concepts and science. This is what I will call a tool, much like my cue, my tip, my chalk, it is all important when playing pool, and you can't play pool without each. my cue, my tip, my chalk, and my Pro One System are all required when I step up to the pool table.

There is no diet pill of pool, but there is guidelines, rules that can be followed to mathematically make balls, and I think this is the system. There is nothing like it that can even compare to the science that is outlined in this DVD.
 
You must be pulling our leg on that first one, but either way..

Since you have used it and have strong beliefs in how much it can change a player's speed.. do you, yourself, have any specific gains you can point to(APA#s, BCA, tournaments, etc)? B to AA.. that's a pretty big jump.

I'm not knocking it.. I'm just wondering what your benefits were if you're saying a B can go to AA, since you didn't mention anything at all about your own game. :confused:

Great question. I have only had the DVD for about a week, but I know when I first started using CTE I went from a C+ to an A player. Now, I think in the next few months that I will only grow from there. CTE works, I know it because I do it everyday, this system gives me better guidelines and rules to follow to make more shots. Rules are important and when I follow the system, I make shots, I run out.

Now a strong B player has a foundation to his/her game. They have fundamentals, know how to follow, draw and spin a ball ect... That is key to any pool. But once you have an established fundamental game, you can use this system to win.
 
have you actually learned the system yet and are you at the pro1 stage?

I am at the Pro One stage. Frankly after watching the DVD much of what I was doing naturally is what was being taught. The approch to the shot, hand placement, ect... I was doing naturally, before evening learning the system. However, there were a few "rules" that I wasn't following with my previous CTW experience. Now with Pro One, it's that much easier. But again, having strong basic fundamentals is key.
 
i thought so....now come back at 6 months and give us another review ok as for now you should leave this alone :)

Why do I need 6 months? I have been using CTE for two years. I have naturally done what is taught in this DVD for years with the exception of one thing. So there is no need to wait 6 months. I can speak on the matter today, and tell you it works. It was amazing for me to watch this DVD and see many of the things I was doing naturally. I was missing one key point or "rule". Now that I have it, the past week or so, I have ran out even more racks.
 
I am at the Pro One stage. Frankly after watching the DVD much of what I was doing naturally is what was being taught. The approch to the shot, hand placement, ect... I was doing naturally, before evening learning the system. However, there were a few "rules" that I wasn't following with my previous CTW experience. Now with Pro One, it's that much easier. But again, having strong basic fundamentals is key.

just go easy on your claims about the system is all ok :thumbup:
 
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just go easy on your claims about the system is all ok :thumbup:

I am sure I will be attacked for making my claims. But if you haven't watched the DVD and have no idea of it's content or the ABILITY to use the system, I don't think anyone should comment. People knock CTE all day, that is because they don't have the ability to utilize the system properly. Ability is defined as: Knowing completely the system, and executing it. So if one dosn't completely know the system and can't execute it, then they should't speak of the matter.

I can drive a golf ball 200+ yards, and I have no idea why, I just pull back and smack it. But I bet any really good amateur golfer can explain why they can hit a ball 200+ yards, because they understand the system, and know how to execute it. Simply because you can make a ball dosn't mean you can explain to me how, or why. When I make a shot, and when any pro makes ANY given shot they can explain why.

Just as in golf there are 50 ways to hit a ball, same thing in pool. Now if Tiger Woods taught me how to hit a golf ball, I'd pay attention, because I am sure he can speak on the matter. Or omit Tiger and add in there any well known golfer or golf trainer.

Same thing here, I was presented with a DVD from a well known pool coach, I watched the DVD I learned what I was doing wrong, I fixed it. Now I have improved. I've spoken to Stevie Moore, Matt Krah, and others about CTE and I listened and learned. Now I have even further educated my self by buying this DVD. Do I need to be attacked because I have an informed opinion on the matter?
 
I am sure I will be attacked for making my claims.

Do I need to be attacked because I have an informed opinion on the matter?

No, you are simply being asked for something to back up those claims. Claiming that something(anything) can bring a player from a "B to AA" is pretty dang substantial. I scoured your past posts to see that you said you took money off Dave Grau getting the 6, if I understood that correctly.

Again, you aren't being attacked, you're simply being asked for some kind of proof to a large claim. You say you run a few more racks now? Okay, that's all I was asking. I'd really like to see an APA 4 or 5 on here hit a 7 level(or 9 in 9b), but I'm not quite sure who we could get to take that up with the time it may require(while still having the posting history to show their skill level).

Everybody's got an informed opinion.. it's just that some information's more worthwhile than others. You aren't being attacked.. just held for questioning. :thumbup:
 
I'm all for CTE/Pro1, I know it personally helped me improve my routine and pocketing percentage and I feel more locked in than ever on my shots. And Stan has been a great in numerous discussions and emails about this and other topics.

But I think the B - AA claim is a bit of a stretch. Just as with the discussion going on in another thread, aiming is only part of the equation, and most B players I've met can aim reasonably well, especially on more routine shots. It's typically their lack of fundamentals, consistency, patterns, judgement, knowledge, etc. that keeps them from routinely running out in situations where a better player would. And getting to that level of consistency, especially under pressure, can take a lot of dedication and time.

There may be something to a C/B player learning this, getting excited by their ball pocketing abilities, and putting more focus and time into their game and elevating it because of a combination of things. And all of that would probably take more than a few months, I know it took me almost that amount of time to learn CTE, move onto Pro1, learn to trust the shots and "unlearn" some of my old techniques, and integrate all of that into my game. Of course that was 2 months of 6 - 8 hours a week at the table, I suppose someone with no job could do better... :)


I actually teach a few people now, and was asked recently by an up and coming player to mentor him which I agreed to do. He has a fantastic game for only playing for 2 - 3 years, has a lot of drive and is largely self taught through books, watching videos, etc. as I was. He asked me an aiming question the other day, and I said something that piqued his interest and spawned a conversation about CTE/Pro1. I gave him some basics to look at and plan on showing him more this week.

He currently aims by looking at reflections and shadows on the ball, and adjusts for english by aiming to one side of the pocket or the other as opposed to any sort of BHE etc. If he decides to adopt CTE/Pro1 as a new method of aiming and refine some of his english adjustments, will be interesting to see what affect it has on his overall confidence and game over the next 3 - 6 months.

Scott
 
I want to add that having a STRONG foundation of fundamentals is the key to success. But this system gives you guidelines to follow, so that when you get down on a shot, you know the ball is dropping. There is no question, its science, and there is no guess work.

Now do I think an APA 2 can pick up this DVD, watch it and get better. No. The answer is completely no. A foundation of fundamentals is important to understand the concepts and science. This is what I will call a tool, much like my cue, my tip, my chalk, it is all important when playing pool, and you can't play pool without each. my cue, my tip, my chalk, and my Pro One System are all required when I step up to the pool table.

There is no diet pill of pool, but there is guidelines, rules that can be followed to mathematically make balls, and I think this is the system. There is nothing like it that can even compare to the science that is outlined in this DVD.

I am glad it is working for you,it is imo a strong system
 
I don't think Stan teaches the system well at all on the DVD. It's probably a good reference for people that have paid him for a lesson, but I thought it was super confusing and raised more questions than answers.

I watched it three times with a pool table in the same room and got nothing. I suspect that a lot of the guys that promote the DVD have gotten instruction on cte on top of just watching the DVD.
 
I don't think Stan teaches the system well at all on the DVD. It's probably a good reference for people that have paid him for a lesson, but I thought it was super confusing and raised more questions than answers.

I watched it three times with a pool table in the same room and got nothing. I suspect that a lot of the guys that promote the DVD have gotten instruction on cte on top of just watching the DVD.

I do agree that some fundamental information is sort of glossed over, assumed, or not laid out in a cohesive manner, but in an odd way once you understand it then all of the information actually makes sense. I think an 10 minutes of content and a few edits would have made all the difference, but then it's easier to critique a finished product than put one together in the first place. I don't believe it was intentional, merely a product of video capture and editing as well as Stan's strong knowledge of the content.

I would feel more strongly in my critique, except for one major thing - Stan's (and other's) willingness to help explain it. I contacted Stan, he called me right back, and we spent an hour on the phone going over the whole thing. I also emailed him many times to ask questions, confirm concepts, etc. and he has been quite gracious with his time. As have others on the forum. As much as I would have liked to visit Stan for a full lesson, not only for CTE/Pro1 but just because he's just a great teacher, that hasn't been possible nor did he bring that up as an option.

I'd be happy to help you with any questions you have if you are still interested in playing around with it, just PM me and I can give you my information.
Scott
 
i personally think the dvd was perfect because it made you really think about the system and how to get it to work for you. This made the foundation of the system that much stronger and it kinda gives me the feeling like i created it on my own in a way lol which is bs in reality
 
I don't think Stan teaches the system well at all on the DVD. It's probably a good reference for people that have paid him for a lesson, but I thought it was super confusing and raised more questions than answers.

I watched it three times with a pool table in the same room and got nothing. I suspect that a lot of the guys that promote the DVD have gotten instruction on cte on top of just watching the DVD.

I got it with just the DVD, no personal instruction. The most important part is practicing the shots on the DVD. Make it routine until it clicks.
 
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