Stan Shuffett's: Pro One DVD

Today

Well I took this past week off for vacation. Much of my week was spent on the table. I gambled a few matches against players I feel have been in the past a ball speed above me. I broke even gambling 5 different sets this week, but couldn't close the deal! two of the sets I was down 3 sets (races to 7) and grinned back to break even.

Much of my success this past week was due to the PRO ONE system, I made shots I was scared to take in the past, and I knew when I got down on a shot that the ball was going in. I have a definitive method to making balls, and I played very well.

Then today I played a scotch doubles bar box tournament, and lost hill hill first set. Then eventually sent the best players at the tournament home! But I did miss an easy ball later in the day to get knocked out, it was an easy shot, I got down on it, and for some stupid reason hesitated, missed and we lost. But today my partner kept saying, damn you made some terrific shots, all due to PRO ONE. We took 7/8 and lost to a donkey team because my partner made an early 8 ball to let them in the match!

But basically the reason I am writing today is I played a ton of pool this week and I feel I am playing the best pool of my life. Overall I probably played 200+ games and broke and ran 30-40 racks of 9 ball. Overall not that great of a statistic, but I felt very strong this week.

I think that dismissing CTE and or Pro One, is crazy. Yes maybe my comment about going from a B to a AA was crazy, but I think it could be done, if someone had complete dedication, and played 5-6 hours a day for a few months. JB's comment about making two million plus balls is correct, I think that is so true. I don't even know how many shots I've made in my lifetime, but I don't think it is near that number. The journey continues...
 
Imo the hardest thing is to *forget* about what you ve been doing all those years before. If you seriously try to change completly your way to play pool, it s really hard. I wasn t, am not and will never be a *naysayer*. I gave and give any system which is new for me (or better said, which i give a try at the table) 100 % of my attention! Longer ago i wrote it in another thread already- i started before to try it out-and it ended more in kind of a desaster, lol.
You really have to follow just the instructions-- the way you look at the CB and the OB is completly different-and if you want to learn a *visual system* like Pro1 or See or whatever....you have definitley have to spend MUCH table time. At some point i read a sentence from Randy Goettlicher which helped me so that i was able to make some shots finally happen.
And what Stan says about Pro1 is the first time (from what i saw and found about it) is the first what makes in some cases sense to me.

After trying all out what was able to, i reached a point where i would say: Yes it works (or can work :p)- but for me the far greatest advantage of these systems are, that you are forced to step correct into the shot, aligned correctly, and that you perceived the angles correctly. I bet that many many players never paid enough attention to this before trying to make Pro1 work for them ( or See, or90-90 or whatever). And just causes me to say, that it is helpful for sure for those guys. And if they never used really a kind of a PSR before....they were now forced to use a PSR.

I personally see and understand now *both* sides- but what still is wondering me, that some guys are still not able to accept, that EACH system on this planet has advantages and disadvantages.
To be honest: i m not able to use Pro1 or whatever as the only system for me. But there are some shots, where i am now use em for *double checking* some shots-so at least it was worth to work with it.
Mr Shuffet was finally the first who was able to explain it for many people on his well produced DVD-and the first one who got the balls to try to show it. I m sure that he really really thought really long about it-but it seemed to work really good. Hats off for this.

And without good fundamentals, using Pro1 ends in a terrible desaster-that s my serious opinion. I am still using my systems which includes several which i put together untl they worked for me by practicing. And for some shots just using (how shown up already before) Pro1 and 90-90 as a double checker in some situations.

Believing and Confidence comes through repetition. This counts also if you re talking about aiming-- so if you don t believe in it, oyu will never reach confidence. In that case you shouldn t bash a system- that wouldn t be serious. In that case you just should pay enough table time with your *known* system to reach best results.
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I have no doubt whatsoever that CTE/Pro One is a valid system... I think the biggest issue is that most of us have not got to see the whole picture.... The DVD without a lesson from Stan is only half of the picture.... By itself at best the DVD is a good basis for a PSR and a visual benchmark system but I fail to see it as an aiming system in DVD format only.....

A manual CTE pivot is a half tip pivot...... But a pivot from where... Which line do you parallel from or do you adjust the distance back from the cueball you setup at so that a half tip brings you to center???

How can you see both lines when the Edge lines upto B without moving your head or switching your eyes??

How can the same routine be used on shots that are oriented slightly differently in cueball origin if this is a mathematically correct system as you state???

I do understand the pivot length changing but at this point that's about it....

I won't ever dismiss CTE/Pro One outright but a lot of the skepticism would not exist if the information wasn't guarded like a state secret and was presented clearly on the DVD......

I hope Stan at some point edits the original material and puts a version 2 of the DVD out but at this point I am thinking to fully understand the system I may have to take a few lessons which I am not opposed to......

I think at one point Stan was answering questions here but like many others the fire and pitchfork mob keeps him mostly at bay :frown:
 
The Renfro said:
I have no doubt whatsoever that CTE/Pro One is a valid system... I think the biggest issue is that most of us have not got to see the whole picture.... The DVD without a lesson from Stan is only half of the picture.... By itself at best the DVD is a good basis for a PSR and a visual benchmark system but I fail to see it as an aiming system in DVD format only.....

A manual CTE pivot is a half tip pivot...... But a pivot from where... Which line do you parallel from or do you adjust the distance back from the cueball you setup at so that a half tip brings you to center???

How can you see both lines when the Edge lines upto B without moving your head or switching your eyes??

How can the same routine be used on shots that are oriented slightly differently in cueball origin if this is a mathematically correct system as you state???

I do understand the pivot length changing but at this point that's about it....

I won't ever dismiss CTE/Pro One outright but a lot of the skepticism would not exist if the information wasn't guarded like a state secret and was presented clearly on the DVD......

I hope Stan at some point edits the original material and puts a version 2 of the DVD out but at this point I am thinking to fully understand the system I may have to take a few lessons which I am not opposed to......

I think at one point Stan was answering questions here but like many others the fire and pitchfork mob keeps him mostly at bay :frown:
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Neil's right. Changing your thought process to accept a different, more visually subconscious method is necessary to let it happen. It took me a while to give in. :grin:

After you establish your visual alignment and pivot direction (this takes a little practice time), slide your bridge hand up to the cue ball with a half tip offset. You should still maintain your visual alignment. After the pivot to center, pull the trigger. A spasm may occur, but when you jump into the deep end for the first time, it's ok.:D

Best,
Mike
 
The Renfro said:
I have no doubt whatsoever that CTE/Pro One is a valid system... I think the biggest issue is that most of us have not got to see the whole picture.... The DVD without a lesson from Stan is only half of the picture.... By itself at best the DVD is a good basis for a PSR and a visual benchmark system but I fail to see it as an aiming system in DVD format only.....

A manual CTE pivot is a half tip pivot...... But a pivot from where... Which line do you parallel from or do you adjust the distance back from the cueball you setup at so that a half tip brings you to center???

How can you see both lines when the Edge lines upto B without moving your head or switching your eyes??

How can the same routine be used on shots that are oriented slightly differently in cueball origin if this is a mathematically correct system as you state???

I do understand the pivot length changing but at this point that's about it....

I won't ever dismiss CTE/Pro One outright but a lot of the skepticism would not exist if the information wasn't guarded like a state secret and was presented clearly on the DVD......

I hope Stan at some point edits the original material and puts a version 2 of the DVD out but at this point I am thinking to fully understand the system I may have to take a few lessons which I am not opposed to......

I think at one point Stan was answering questions here but like many others the fire and pitchfork mob keeps him mostly at bay :frown:
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i will answer your questions and help you out, dont worry! you will be shooting cte/prpo1 with ease. i have tinkered with the whole system, trying this and trying that....i will be back in a few hours and answer your questions, through my eyes.
 
You do not parallel off either line. Now your issue right now is your visuals and where to position yourself behind the cue ball and object ball, you are doing it wrong. Anyone that has an issue with pivoting ,that tells me they have messed up on the initial setup because when you setup correctly you only need to move straight to a half tip offset position, it's that easy and automatic and natural.

Now if you try to use the ctel to guide your cue to the half pivot offset position, you now will need to bring feel into the system because you are now focused on a line and the worst part about it is, the ctel is the sighting line and not the aiming line. I consider the ctel to be a positioning line and nothing more.

Now this is how I learned to execute Stan's manual cte correctly and I will talk about a left cut only here. I watched Stan on the dvd shoot shots and I looked at his upper thigh and where it lines up in relation to the cb/ob as a starting point. It seemed to be on the edge-to-edge line, which became my starting point.

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Firstly pick up the ctel, if it is a cut to the left, I would pick it up mainly using my right eye . Now you will be close to the finished position.

Your next step will be picking up the aiming line. You will do this mainly with your left eye , and you will need to adjust your body slightly to do this meanwhile staying aware of the ctel line position.

Now try your best to pick up the ctel with your right eye and staying aware of the aiming line position. With your left eye pick up the aiming line and stay aware of the ctel line if you are having trouble just try to find a way to make it work somehow and it will get easier with practice. This is the time to make any adjustments because you are almost ready to move straight to the pivot position.

So now, with the visual of the two lines you are holding, you should have more focus on your left eye that is on the aiming line and you start moving in (the left eye will have a sense of aim control when aiming at center CB.) to the half pivot offset position, staying aware of the ctel line position. It is not hard and simple when you figure it out.

Now you can pivot to center cue ball and you will learn to use feel here to check if you have line up properly and if it does not feel right, start over.

If you can figure out what i have said and its not so easy to explain and trying picture what i do, your on your way to mastering cte/pro1 the correct way I believe anyway. i should have time to make a quick short video tomorrow just giving you a quick visual and this is what i do and it works for me.
 
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Now I pick up the ctel, if it is a cut to the left, I would pick it up mainly using my right eye. Now you will be close to the finished position.

Your next step will be picking up the aiming line, you will do this mainly with your left eye, and you will need to adjust your body slightly to do this and also staying conches of the ctel line


That's exactly what I was thinking had to happen... This is one of the items that makes different systems work for some people and not others....

I have something called convergence deficiency which means I do not have parallax..... Using both eyes ends up feeding false information into my brain because there are 2 distinct sight pictures which are both close but neither are correct... As long as I put either eye in a complete dominant position my brain is able to disregard the sight picture from the non dominant positioned eye.....

I will continue working on the SEE system and using a fractional pivot aiming method that seems to have evolved on it's own as I have approached my million balls.......

I may still try and catch up to Stan at some point since he is pretty close to home but for now I am off to check out the information on Shane's ferrule system...

Peace out.....
 
Now that's how i do it and i can make any shot on the table and when i do something wrong or a glitch in the stroke,etc i miss. Hopefully stan will read this and offer some advice or add to it or correct it. I pretty sure this is how Stan wants us to see it and im sure there are adjustments that can be made for people with visual issues.
 
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