Stan Shuffett's: Pro One DVD

No, you are simply being asked for something to back up those claims. Claiming that something(anything) can bring a player from a "B to AA" is pretty dang substantial. I scoured your past posts to see that you said you took money off Dave Grau getting the 6, if I understood that correctly.

Again, you aren't being attacked, you're simply being asked for some kind of proof to a large claim. You say you run a few more racks now? Okay, that's all I was asking. I'd really like to see an APA 4 or 5 on here hit a 7 level(or 9 in 9b), but I'm not quite sure who we could get to take that up with the time it may require(while still having the posting history to show their skill level).

Everybody's got an informed opinion.. it's just that some information's more worthwhile than others. You aren't being attacked.. just held for questioning. :thumbup:

Yes; Dave used to give me the 6 out, not anymore, 7-8 and a game going to 7, we've broke even the last three times we've played. Also I broke even with Buckey with that same game. All of my progression has been due to CTE.

A year ago, there would have been no way I would have played either with just the 7,8. Now today with knowing what I know, I think I am stealing getting the 7,8. But, don't tell him that!
 
I do agree that some fundamental information is sort of glossed over, assumed, or not laid out in a cohesive manner, but in an odd way once you understand it then all of the information actually makes sense. I think an 10 minutes of content and a few edits would have made all the difference, but then it's easier to critique a finished product than put one together in the first place. I don't believe it was intentional, merely a product of video capture and editing as well as Stan's strong knowledge of the content.

I would feel more strongly in my critique, except for one major thing - Stan's (and other's) willingness to help explain it. I contacted Stan, he called me right back, and we spent an hour on the phone going over the whole thing. I also emailed him many times to ask questions, confirm concepts, etc. and he has been quite gracious with his time. As have others on the forum. As much as I would have liked to visit Stan for a full lesson, not only for CTE/Pro1 but just because he's just a great teacher, that hasn't been possible nor did he bring that up as an option.

I'd be happy to help you with any questions you have if you are still interested in playing around with it, just PM me and I can give you my information.
Scott

I agree. Further, I have e-mailed Stan a few times over the past week or so, and he has gotten back to me within a 1/2 hour each time. Now that is dedication! I look forward to this summer, I think I am going to take his course at his studio. Would be a worthwhile road trip to say the least.

We shall see my progression, I think I am a low A player, or a strong B+. I look for myself to be a Strong A over the next few months. Once I hit a few thousand balls using the system I think I will have a stronger presence at the table and a lot more confidence!
 
$45 and the guy who made the dvd provides hours of phone and email support? Sounds like a great deal to me. I assume that if someone is really not happy, does not get it, does not want the support then they can sell the dvd and get most if not all of their money back.

Why not take the free support and see where that goes?

www.jbcases.com
 
Help me understand.

Here's where i have a problem and im not nocking pro1 i just dont understand how u do this.
Look at the pictures, the balls are lying in the same place but theres two different shots here.
How does one use the cte line and 2 different ob locations on the same setup without changing the center to edge line.
Everthing is the same, pivot, cte line but the edge is line up at a different spot.How?Cte line would have to change wouldnt it?
 

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There is no way in hell that a b player will go to aa in a matter of months. There is way more to getting to that point than changing one's aiming. Experience, hours at the table, grooving fundamentals, attitude, mental toughness, the list goes on and on. I don't want anyone to even think that.
I use CTE. I've used it myself for going on five years. I don't know why it can't be learned from the DVD but some people just can't seem to learn that way. I learned from Hal Houle over the phone. I'd been doing most of the stuff on the DVD before I got it from Stan at the US Open in October of 2011.
I'm a firm believer but there's so much more to be learned and aiming is just one thing.

Edit: I've had NO lessons from Stan!
 
This bank formula .......

Here's where I have a problem and im not nocking pro1 I just dont understand how u do this.
Look at the pictures, the balls are lying in the same place but theres two different shots here.
How does one use the cte line and 2 different ob locations on the same setup without changing the center to edge line.
Everything is the same, pivot, cte line but the edge is line up at a different spot.How?Cte line would have to change wouldnt it?
THis bank formula is straight from Bert Kinisters DVD on banks. It always funny to see his material regurgitated all over the internet. The real crazy thing is that this material is 15 old. Thats about how old Berts tape is.
 
Here's where i have a problem and im not nocking pro1 i just dont understand how u do this.
Look at the pictures, the balls are lying in the same place but theres two different shots here.
How does one use the cte line and 2 different ob locations on the same setup without changing the center to edge line.
Everthing is the same, pivot, cte line but the edge is line up at a different spot.How?Cte line would have to change wouldnt it?

Sending you a PM.
 
i hope this helps a bit and i hope im close to being correct because i just did a quick brain storm on it and also you do realize there are 2 different reference points on those shots? Im guessing your at the beginning stages of learning the system?

When you are behind the cb/ob on that first shot you have shown (straight in the side) there are 180 ticks on the ROUND cue ball and i guess 180 contact points on the object ball you are now staring at. Now you have to find center cue ball and that is 1 out of 180 ticks on the cue ball. Me personally i am probably in and around the 85-95 tick spot when looking for the ctel, dunno and don't care, i am also experienced.


When you are behind the cb/ob on that second shot you have shown (cross bank in the side) now you have shifted your body and visual alignment to the inside about an inch or so (left) there are 180 ticks on the ROUND cue ball and i guess 180 contact points on the object ball you are now staring at. Now you have to find center cue ball and that is 1 out of 180 ticks on the cue ball. Me personally i am probably in and around the 85-95 tick spot when looking for the ctel, dunno and don't care, i am also experienced.

if you walk around the cue ball you will always have 180 ticks staring at you...get it?

This is how i see it and i can make that shot in the side 20 times in a row and i doubt im on that exact tick on the cb more than a couple of times at most. <<<< this is tip!


The left eye aims for left cuts during ball address to an OB aim point. The right eye aims for right cuts. The eye function of aiming is retained all the way into full stance and final aim at center CB <<< tip! this took a long time for it to sink into my skull!

i could so make all this easier to learn for you guys...but i constantly get trolled and its even the cte guys doing it now lol :)
 
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$45 and the guy who made the dvd provides hours of phone and email support? Sounds like a great deal to me. I assume that if someone is really not happy, does not get it, does not want the support then they can sell the dvd and get most if not all of their money back.

Why not take the free support and see where that goes?

www.jbcases.com

Just warning the guys who don't want to pay for all that. There are better alternatives IMO.
 
The left eye aims for left cuts during ball address to an OB aim point. The right eye aims for right cuts. The eye function of aiming is retained all the way into full stance and final aim at center CB <<< tip! this took a long time for it to sink into my skull!

i could so make all this easier to learn for you guys...but i constantly get trolled and its even the cte guys doing it now lol :)

I agree, you have to be aware of which eye is at the aim point. Confusing the two will result in missing the ball. If you attempt to cut a ball to the right and your left eye is focused on the aim point, chances are your stance is wrong and your not addressing the shot properly. So this is a great tip for people to keep in mind. Thanks!

This goes back to what I said earlier, you need to have strong fundamentals before this system can advance you.
 
After 1 year of listening to the DVD, i am starting to get sick of the song.. the pool playing fool. :D
 
Just warning the guys who don't want to pay for all that. There are better alternatives IMO.

Thanks, but why not start your own thread instead of coming into a cte thread and telling people to do something else.
 
Just warning the guys who don't want to pay for all that. There are better alternatives IMO.

Sure. You are entitled to feel that way. I understand when you get something and it's not all that you thought it was going to be and you don't feel like calling the guy who made it. Sometimes it's better to just let it go.

Good thing one man's junk is another man's treasure. Anyone who buys Stan's DVD can sell it and get all or most of their money back so there really isn't much risk.

And the best thing is that IF they get some benefit out of it and actually learn the system they can then still sell the DVD and the knowledge stays with them, just like with a good book.

But as far as that goes there are plenty of free ways to get into CTE out there. Most of them come with the free version of tech support which is to say sporadic but there. Also Dr. Dave already took the meat from the DVD and posted it to his website so anyone can go there and get a basic primer without ordering the DVD.

And of course one doesn't have to mess with it at all. There is always the good old million balls method. Pool room owners prefer that method and will often recommend that you shoot two million just to be on the safe side.
 
just go easy on your claims about the system is all ok :thumbup:

I've been meaning to add to the CTE treads on AZ for as long as Stan has had his DVD out but never felt it was apropriate because one week, or two weeks or even two months was to early to tell. Now more than a year later a can say the following:

I have been playing for 9 years and would probaly be an APA 7 or a BCA 10 but still found my game to be inconsistent, I would fail some 9-ball run-outs on medium dificulty pots or even very easy pots. If I play a PRO player in 9-Ball in a tournament, the race would be 11-7. I could possibly win only when playing well and pro having a bad roll here or there with this handicap.

I bought the PRO One DVD last year. I stayed with the mechanical CTE for the full year on and off. At first it was really amaizing to pot all these balls with CTE in practice, I just fell apart in game play and always fell back to previous aiming method(s).

It is true that the system works incredibly well and it teaches you repeatable mechanics that deliver consistently. But the results are only as good as the player's coordination. The more you keep at it the better you get with it. With regards to mechnical CTE in th end I would mostly use it when under presure (winning ball is a long straight in shot or blind reverse cuts) my percentage with those dificult "hot times" shot definately improved maybe doubled. Again it was not perfect, because I was not doing it perfectly or consistently.

When the question arises about how much your game has improved using CTE (how many tournaments have you won???). That's to some degree a very naive question. CTE helps you allign perfectly and gives you a visual reference so that if you can stroke relatively straight you will make the ball in the centre of the pocket. It does nothing for your speed control or cue ball control, angles, quality of your break spead/control, your perfect mechanics under presure and all the other strategy/knowledge varibles that help you be a top level player.

Two days ago I felt redy to move to PRO One (I have a 9 foot Dimond PRO in my house) and only after one year of experimenting with mechanical CTE was I really ready to receive the PRO One information. From reding the many CTE treads possibly too many players expect this to be fully absorbed in two days and if they are not US OPEN championship material the following week then Stan's DVD must be BS. In my opinion, not the case. PRO ONE is much more fluid, much more suited to transition from practice to competition. It's early but promissing. My previous high runs had been 5 racks of 15 balls in a row (2 times only ever). I got to the 5 racks run a few time in the last 2 days so... it makes me feel very positive about the transistion to PRO ONE. I'll practice for a few more weeks/months and then take it in competition see how I fare versus past experience. One of the markers for me will be something like: Even when I won matches in the past, they awere always grinds, or a bit lucky or I would have a 6 game lead when geting to the hill to finally close the match hill-hill. So any improvment in confidence, consistency, placing better etc... I will be able to atribute to PRO One.

If you don't beleive in it, it's because you don't know it, or you're so good you don't need it.
 
Pivoting information

PRO ONE is a visual system. The eyes do it all!! There is no pivot.

As a right handed player one's cue should come in from left to right but that is not a pivot. The eyes lead the way to the shot line or center cue ball and the cue only follows what the eyes had already located. There is no pivot to locate center cue ball.

At ball address in PRO ONE, visuals are established. During movement into full stance one's eyes will move left or right. That is referred to as a pivot in PRO ONE. The eyes lead the way to center cue ball with left and right body movements as described in my DVD. It does not matter what you do with your cue, just go to where your eyes take you. CTE/PRO ONE is ultimately a visual system.

Basic CTE has a fixed pivot for establishing that all shots are one half tip away from a shot line with the visuals I present on my DVD. That pivot is unnatural for most all game use. Basic pivoting is best used for testing shots.

Bringing the cue in from 1 direction in PRO ONE is NOT a pivot but a natural move that many, many pros use. It's the eyes that do the work.......the cue just follows.

PRO ONE is all about eye movement. I should have chosen another word other that PIVOT to describe eye movement......but as I have said many times, words do not teach, experience does.
I am unsure if there is perfect wording for all that occurs in our visual experience with pool.



Stan
 
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I do agree that some fundamental information is sort of glossed over, assumed, or not laid out in a cohesive manner, but in an odd way once you understand it then all of the information actually makes sense.
FYI, a good one-page summary can be found here:

This makes a good reference sheet while watching the DVD. It is also a good quick-reference sheet when practicing at the table.

Another useful resource, if you want to try and practice the shots in the video is here:

Regards,
Dave
 
Here's where i have a problem and im not nocking pro1 i just dont understand how u do this.
Look at the pictures, the balls are lying in the same place but theres two different shots here.
How does one use the cte line and 2 different ob locations on the same setup without changing the center to edge line.
Everthing is the same, pivot, cte line but the edge is line up at a different spot.How?Cte line would have to change wouldnt it?

OBA vs. OBB
That is what makes the difference.
Do you know what those letters stand for?
 
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Here's where i have a problem and im not nocking pro1 i just dont understand how u do this.
Look at the pictures, the balls are lying in the same place but theres two different shots here.
How does one use the cte line and 2 different ob locations on the same setup without changing the center to edge line.
Everthing is the same, pivot, cte line but the edge is line up at a different spot.How?Cte line would have to change wouldnt it?
OBA vs. OBB
That is what makes the difference.
Do you know what those letters stand for?
If you don't, there is a brief explanation and illustration here:

Regards,
Dave
 
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