kanzzo
hobby player
it's one time in three on triangle rack, its 9 out of 10 on Perma Rack
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it's one time in three on triangle rack, its 9 out of 10 on Perma Rack
Is there any data or videos to show that?
kanzzo
hobby player
No rules on the fly. Where did you get this from? With every run between 2006 and 2019 Schmidt was hoping to run 500+. In every run he would hate it to shoot a bank. Because he would hate to get this accomplishment and hear someone say "Yeah, but you banked once".
In 9 Ball players with the best break won the tournaments. (Strickland, Bustamante, Archer). Then Magic rack was introduced and Immonen and Deuel and Alcano started to run out sets with a soft break. The rule was changed, because they felt it's not in the spirit of 9 ball to break with 4 mph and run out tournaments.
kanzzo
hobby player
my personal experience. I make this ball 85% on tapped table and I am a weak hobby player
kanzzo
hobby player
this are the typical balls. The are very high percentage on a perfect rack. (It's a triangle rack in the video. Was recorded on first try with no editing.)
kanzzo
hobby player
guess you will find the above video helpfulIs it easy?
I use a magic rack when I play straight pool. I’ve sometimes attempted a shot I first saw Souquet play: firing into one of the two head balls and banking the other head ball into the opposite side pocket. I think I’ve made that shot twice out of 20-30 times. There are several shots like this, all of them very difficult to pull off. Well, not difficult, just random.
EDIT: Sorry, that wasn’t the post the I was supposed to reply toWas supposed to reply to an earlier post of yours.
It would be really valuable to see a video of someone making Mosconi's break shot, 9 times out of 10.
kanzzo
hobby player
The referee would put in some randomness being unable to rack the ball exactly the same every time.
You have to rack the balls randomly in 9-Ball and 10-Ball. Taking away the random factor in these games seems like an improvement on first sight but is actually bad for the game. So embrace some imperfection ^___^
kanzzo
hobby player
i ordered the Perma-Rack. Will do the video for you
the ball is part of the video of post #777
The truth to this matter is only known to those living within Schmidt's head. Not to those listening to the vibrating air exiting his mouth. If you prefer to consider me wrong, that's fine by me. I don't necessarily believe everything that's said to me.
...and pool would probably be more entertaining if the pocket dimensions on a given table were random. What's your point?
I think I may have wandered into the aiming forum. Reread the posts of yours that I quoted, if you're wondering what I'm talking about.
Read the bolded text below.
**We do have rules already.
***Your suggesting that a player may alter how he chooses to play the game amidst his current inning.
If this isn't what you meant to suggest. Then I suggest you may want measure your words before posting. I'm doing my best to follow along, but this saying one thing, but meaning something else is tiring.
My old girlfriend always used to throw away (give to me) the last bite of her hamburger.
When I first noticed her throwing the piece away I asked her why, and she told me “I don’t like the end”
True story - no hyperbole, non-apocryphal. There was a definitive “end” of her hamburguesa and she did not like it.
She also didn’t understand why you couldn’t make a U-turn from the outside lane of a double turn lane.
I had to explain that the person on the inside isn’t always going to be making a U-turn with you and you might smash into them
She was a very sweet girl and ungodly pretty so I let these things wash over me - even those she was a gas/break/gas/break driver. She never just coasted smoothly. I never felt safe with her driving and almost always took the wheel.
I guess we’re far afield now but your drop pocket “end of the table” reminded me of her.
yep, those shots have been around forever. i always felt slighted when someone tried that in matchplay, it is kind of disrespectful, but then again it's also a signal to improve your game. you just don't take the risk if your opponent will run a few racks from a failed attempt.
its a lot different in finding them in the rack rather than using a rack that makes them dead or a high % shot.
anytime in a sport you let the players or teams start changing equipment you change the game. to di it has to be for a good reason.
in baseball someone invented the fungo bat so they had to outlaw it or ruin the game.
same with special racks in pool or special pocket dimensions.
anytime in a sport you let the players or teams start changing equipment you change the game. to di it has to be for a good reason.
in baseball someone invented the fungo bat so they had to outlaw it or ruin the game.
same with special racks in pool or special pocket dimensions.
kanzzo
hobby player
being on the run of 70 he would be sick to play a bank or call a ball out of the rack. Since every run of 70 could become a run of 500+. Possible, he would change his mind approaching 520. Now we really drifted to some kind of guessing hypothetical thoughts of some straight pool player. Wasn't my intention.
Just wanted to point out, that pride plays a role in running high runs and breaking records and some players dedicating a lot of time to put some high runs together "get sick going for a bank or calling a ball from undisturbed rack". Other players don't get sick playing the same balls. So this players have an advantage.
I am an average pool player who spent some little time thinking about and practicing balls out of a rack in straight pool. I am pretty sure that players like Filler and Shaw and Boening and Deuel dedicating some time practicing these shots could make them much better than me. So the only question is, how do you want the future of straight pool to be?
I am kinda straight pool purist. I think Perma Rack should not be used for straight pool. But if it is used to guarantee a perfect rack every time and eliminate some bias for the player from the guy racking the balls, then calling balls out of the rack shouldn't be allowed.
It's obviously possible just to stick to the rules the way they are and the one who makes the best out of it wins. So I am getting a deja vu from the discussion about the ban of Orcollo. I am thinking about the intent of the rules and when they start to become unjust.
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A few people still believe it is this mentality that leads to societal scourges like mortgage-backed securities, Kardashians and bankrupt game show hosts becoming President. But you can either get angry about the way the world is or learn how to survive and thrive in it. If you choose to go the latter route, there’s a lot you can learn from Tim Ferriss.
^^ this is from here.
I don't think Tim Ferriss is evil in some way. I think he is just good and pointing out examples, how you can beat someone, if the rules are flawed. But there is a way to change flawed rules. That's what I am trying here.
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I'll be completely honest and say that I started to glaze over once you mentioned Orcollo, and then stopped reading once you got to some Tim guy that has nothing to do with pool. Let alone the straight version.
That said, I completely agree with the above quote. I'll extend it a hair further to any template used in either competition or 'exhibition'. I believe a record setting effort needs to happen in one of the two formats for it to be considered a record. That, or even a live stream of practice runs.
It's so easy to wind you up that it isn't even fun anymore. You are the only one taking this entire discussion seriously.Good thing it IS a pool forum, because SIMPLE Questions seem to confuse a lot here, but NOT YOU GOOD OL BUDDY, YOU GOT IT RIGHT!!!
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kanzzo
hobby player
^^ nicely said.
I am just pointing out early, where this change in equipment could lead. Breaking with a steep angle aiming to a blind pocket is tougher, when calling a high percentage shot on the corner ball using the maximum size of the pocket and using all the force of the CB to spread the balls. So while I am not a threat to run 700 I could perhaps run 200 with a Perma Rack not able to run 100 on a regular table.
Deuel is best for figuring out the break shots. Would love to see him running 1000 and only using the balls from the rack, that I pointed out in my video.