Stats -- Accu-Stats 2017 "Make-It-Happen" One-Pocket Invitational, June 2017

[Get_A_Grip]

Thanx for the stats, sir.
When I started playing one-pocket, the word on the street was that the break is worth a
ball and a half......looks like it still is.

Or maybe closer to a 1 ball advantage.

64% of time the breaker won (for all players) minus %50 percent if no advantage = 14% advantage for breaker times 8 balls (normal # of balls to win) = 1.12 ball advantage.

There is probably a better more statistical and accurate way to calculate this though.

The range was that Shane had a 2.16 ball advantage on the break and Roberts only had a 0.4 ball advantage.

 

[pt109]

Or maybe closer to a 1 ball advantage.

64% of time the breaker won (for all players) minus %50 percent if no advantage = 14% advantage for breaker times 8 balls (normal # of balls to win) = 1.12 ball advantage.

There is probably a better more statistical and accurate way to calculate this though.

The range was that Shane had a 2.16 ball advantage on the break and Roberts only had a 0.4 ball advantage.

Admitly, this is a 'feel' thing to me....I was going by Billy Thorpe's results....
...he had a terrible tournament...got skunked...and still showed a profit to owning the break...
..57%.

It's a tricky thing to determine, 'cause to some players, the break can be a disadvantage...
...but at the top level...the break advantage shows.

 

[lfigueroa]

Or maybe closer to a 1 ball advantage.

64% of time the breaker won (for all players) minus %50 percent if no advantage = 14% advantage for breaker times 8 balls (normal # of balls to win) = 1.12 ball advantage.

There is probably a better more statistical and accurate way to calculate this though.

The range was that Shane had a 2.16 ball advantage on the break and Roberts only had a 0.4 ball advantage.

Other than consistency in executing the break stroke, getting the hit on the OBs you want, and having the knowledge to be able to adjust to prevailing table conditions, I think the break is probably worth closer to a ball at the elite level.

The guy returning serve will certainly have the skill , accuracy, and knowledge to make his odds of escape high. Many of these shots, if you even know they're there, require huge skill, which these guys have.

Now, at the pool hall level of play, a decent break shot is relatively harder to get out of for the average player, and it's then that you see the 1 1/2 ball value of the break.

Against some guys it's worth more

Lou Figueroa

 

[Black-Balled]

I agree that there is no place for a push out option at any point in any pool game

So I guess the BnR in 1P is looked down upon, and not requiring a great amount of skill. Playing a bit of the Devils Adv. Should we also do a break rule for the other games that have BnR? How would <favorite Pro> do in 9ball (et al.) if they did a similar rule to prevent BnR? Why should 1P be any different from the other games?

I guess it's just something that I don't see.

PS: I'm not hating on 1P, so please don't take it as such. I just find this particular rule to be as unnecessary as the breaking rules against soft breaks in 9b. Which is why I asked the original question.

Side question: Were the others purposefully avoiding the ball on the break just because of this rule, or was Efren really that "Unlucky" during the break?