Stay With One Game ?

bbb said:
Because the margins of position are small in straight pool
i find the straight pool players dont have trouble being on the right side of the shot in 9/10 ball because the zone is so large
short story
a former straight pool champion from canadia player comes to my town in florida for the winter
its so interesting to watch his patterns compared to the 9 ball players
in his at least mid 70’s he still is among the favorites to win our tournaments
god bless you gaston leblanc…👍😀
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The optimal margins of position are small in all games.
That is why playing all of the games make you better in others.
By the way, generally speaking, how many one pocket specialists or 14.1 specialists that you know of play rotation?
I find the people that play one game are not comfortable playing other games.
That is why I like to play all of the different disciplines.
I think each game game transfers over to the others.
 
philly said:
The optimal margins of position are small in all games.
That is why playing all of the games make you better in others.
By the way, generally speaking, how many one pocket specialists or 14.1 specialists that you know of play rotation?
I find the people that play one game are not comfortable playing other games.
That is why I like to play all of the different disciplines.
I think each game game transfers over to the others.
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Philly i think your wright, I think from time to time it's good for us all... When we get old and go to centers that all seems to leave us, the players want to just play one kind of game only, For sure no 1p or 14.1... thats why we end up playing the table by ourselves, This is why I posted that thread, to stay with one game ... Some forum members replies are quicker than their mind... Thank you... Guy
 
philly said:
The optimal margins of position are small in all games.
That is why playing all of the games make you better in others.
By the way, generally speaking, how many one pocket specialists or 14.1 specialists that you know of play rotation?
I find the people that play one game are not comfortable playing other games.
That is why I like to play all of the different disciplines.
I think each game game transfers over to the others.
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We can agree that playing all games helps the player play the other games
your question about specialists is biased since a “ specialist” by definition is focusing on that one thing
but i would guess the specialists do play 9 ball from time to time even if it is not their preferred game
and i will say again
if you are a 50 ball straight pool player you probably dont have much trouble running 9
in spite of what you said above about “optimal” margin ie where would you put the cue ball with ball in hand
you have to agree(i hope) that the zone to be on the “right side” of the shot and have a reasonable shot is larger in 9 ball than straight pool
 
To the op
multiple games and multiple type of tables add variety so there is something for all the different viewers preferences
from the players perspective the prize for “master” of the table or all around winner is a prize for recognizing the different disciplines have their certain skills and it is difficult to “master” them all
 
bbb said:
We can agree that playing all games helps the player play the other games
your question about specialists is biased since a “ specialist” by definition is focusing on that one thing
but i would guess the specialists do play 9 ball from time to time even if it is not their preferred game
and i will say again
if you are a 50 ball straight pool player you probably dont have much trouble running 9
in spite of what you said above about “optimal” margin ie where would you put the cue ball with ball in hand
you have to agree(i hope) that the zone to be on the “right side” of the shot and have a reasonable shot is larger in 9 ball than straight pool
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If you are a 50 ball straight pool player you play well and probably can play all of the games well.
If you are a 50 ball straight pool player you "see the table" and yes, that translates to all of the games,
which I have been saying all along that each game helps all of the other games.
If a player can run a six pack in 9 ball I'm going to bet that same player can play one pocket well also.
 
philly said:
If you are a 50 ball straight pool player you play well and probably can play all of the games well.
If you are a 50 ball straight pool player you "see the table" and yes, that translates to all of the games,
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so we agree if you play straight pool well you shouldnt have much trouble in 9 ball
so i guess your opponent that complains about being on the wrong side of the ball alot really doesnt play staight pool "very well" as you stated in post #40
you could have just agreed with me from the beginning.......... 😉
 
bbb said:
so we agree if you play straight pool well you shouldnt have much trouble in 9 ball
so i guess your opponent that complains about being on the wrong side of the ball alot really doesnt play staight pool "very well" as you stated in post #40
you could have just agreed with me from the beginning.......... 😉
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Define "very well."
Does a person that can run 25 at any time in straight pool play well?
I think so.
Is 50 the yard stick or is it 100 or is it 30.
I guess a player that has not run 50 in straight pool does not play the game well.
The player that I am speaking about is around a 630 Fargo, which I believe is pretty nice pool.
Perhaps he just complains a lot.
Perhaps we are saying the same thing, perhaps not.
I maintain playing all of of the games helps how you play in any discipline, which was my contention from he beginning.
 
philly said:
If you are a 50 ball straight pool player you play well and probably can play all of the games well.
If you are a 50 ball straight pool player you "see the table" and yes, that translates to all of the games,
which I have been saying all along that each game helps all of the other games.
If a player can run a six pack in 9 ball I'm going to bet that same player can play one pocket well also.
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Exception would be the opposing mindsets of one pocket vs the other games. Many a good shooter is just food in the court of a one pocket grouper. Coversely the touchy feely in one pocket can ding up your flow at the other games.
 
philly said:
Define "very well."
Does a person that can run 25 at any time in straight pool play well?
I think so.
Is 50 the yard stick or is it 100 or is it 30.
I guess a player that has not run 50 in straight pool does not play the game well.
The player that I am speaking about is around a 630 Fargo, which I believe is pretty nice pool.
Perhaps he just complains a lot.
Perhaps we are saying the same thing, perhaps not.
I maintain playing all of of the games helps how you play in any discipline, which was my contention from he beginning.
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At 630 fargo
He should be running out alot
So he could be a “whiner”
25 ball runner is not “very well” neither is 630
Good yes
Very well no
B level not B+
Still better than many regulars non pro player
You were the one to say he played “ very well “
We agree all games can help ypur games
And we agree if you play “really well” in one game
That transfers to other games
 
bbb said:
At 630 fargo
He should be running out alot
So he could be a “whiner”
25 ball runner is not “very well” neither is 630
Good yes
Very well no
B level not B+
Still better than many regulars non pro player
You were the one to say he played “ very well “
We agree all games can help ypur games
And we agree if you play “really well” in one game
That transfers to other games
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Clearly our definitions of play differ.
Not in the mood to make popcorn this morning.
 
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Island Drive said:
Here's the rules for this game we started playing in college.
With different partners each rack, and specific breaking order to begin each rack and order of play fixed till the odd balls determined order for Just That Rack, it gives a weak player a Great chance to cash and play another time.


Also, there's some additions that we used.
If one player group Blitzes' the other two players, meaning scoring 61 pts plus all 8 odd balls, that team gets paid double.

There's also one more payout difference, that's Very Uncommon/ The all ball blitz.

If one player makes ALL 15 balls, then it's a Triple Blitz.
All THREE players pay that player DOUBLE.
At $2 a ball, that computes to a $120 score.

I'll never forget when Grady Matthews, the professor opened up his pool room in Colorado Springs on the corner of Platte and Union.
We had a group of Good players and we talked Grady into this game, knowing "No One'' had the best of it, tho Grady was the better player.
We played for $2 a point/the year was probably 1978.

Ironically there were two team blitzes and one player blitzed us all, Grady LOL, was NOT amongst those three blitzes. Boy was he complaining.

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Island Drive said:
One of our/collegiate favorite games was full rack rotation, odd ball/partners were the 1 & 9 ball just for that rack. Great engaging game of FOUR.
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Odd ball .... Win 9 ways..8odd balls and points
5 ways wins...(5 odds, or 4odds with points.... additional balls are worth "a way". Rotating partners after 2 games balanced out the session. Regardless of the players level the $$ balanced out. Nobody gets killed. Would enjoy doing this again sometime if I could find 3 committed players. Funny most of the people I know are retired but busy.
TRW suggests playing rotation games to help 1P.... I enjoy (but weak at) straight pool. Especially when getting to the last 5-6 balls and mapping the break shot.
 
Don’t “other” games force a player to become proficient in specific skills?

- 1p: pattern play, banking, safety play
- 9- and 10-ball: moving the cue longer distances with precision, safety play
- 3c: cue ball control and shot creativity
- 14.1: pattern play and precise cue ball control in the short game and tight quarters
- 8-ball: pattern play, cue ball control in tight quarters
- bank pool: um, yeah, this one is pretty obvious
 
dquarasr said:
Don’t “other” games force a player to become proficient in specific skills?

- 1p: pattern play, banking, safety play
- 9- and 10-ball: moving the cue longer distances with precision, safety play
- 3c: cue ball control and shot creativity
- 14.1: pattern play and precise cue ball control in the short game and tight quarters
- 8-ball: pattern play, cue ball control in tight quarters
- bank pool: um, yeah, this one is pretty obvious
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Great post…👍
 
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straightline said:
Exception would be the opposing mindsets of one pocket vs the other games. Many a good shooter is just food in the court of a one pocket grouper. Coversely the touchy feely in one pocket can ding up your flow at the other games.
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I find this to be true. Playing 1P, and to a lesser degree 8 Ball is a bit of an obstacle to playing smooth 9/10 ball. It is more the pacing/flow of the game that gets upset. I like to think 9/10 is 90% execution, 10% deliberation. 1P can often be the opposite. Switching between system 1 and system 2 thinking is mentally hard.
 
All great one pocket players, are most always First, great at all other games.
 
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