**STOP PRESS** - EPBF Statement about clashes

TheOne

TheOne

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Dear Players,

At the moment there is a lot of commotion concerning the dates of the IPT
(International Pool Tour). There are some clashes with WPA (and therefore also with
EPBF events) which are not helping the case. However. Looking at the situation from
the sportsside the EPBF always stated that this tour is a great oppertunity for the
sport to develop further and further. At the other hand we are also very clear in
the opinion that it would be easyer and also necessary to work together around the
world in case of co-ordinating dates. The mean reason is that if we all work
together the players get the oppertunity to play at all events which again is in the
benefit of the sport. Therefore the EPBF send an request to IPT for a meeting to
speak about these issues. I'm very glad to inform you that, in spite of the busy
schedule IPT and EPBF have, we are succeeded to find a date for a meeting. Let us
hope that we could manage to find the solution for all the problems and that we can
also say here "The sport will benefit".

Please find attached the official invitation concerning the IPT qualifyer which will
be held in the Netherlands, Weert. Ofcourse we will inform you about the
developements and the situation after we have the meeting with IPT.

Regards,

Gre Leenders
President EPBF
 
A balanced and reasoned approach...good to see!

But I couldn't help noticing a couple of Freudian Slips along a similar theme:

The mean reason is that if we all work
together the players get the oppertunity to play at all events which again is in the
benefit of the sport. Therefore the EPBF send an request to IPT for a meeting to
speak about these issues. I'm very glad to inform you that, in spite of the busy
schedule IPT and EPBF have, we are succeeded to find a date for a meeting.

I think he means 'main' and 'despite'. :D
ok, grammar / spell checkers, I know 'in spite of' can be used in the same sense as despite :o
 
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Str8PoolMan said:
How, and what, might have been different, exactly?
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Do you really think that KT's receiving a $150,000 extortion letter (his words) really made him want to work with anyone?

Now they see the error of their ways and it seems that all parties will agree to a meeting where in the end all parties can come to some agreement.

Since it appears that KT is willing to meet he may even be willing to come to some sanctioning agreement among all parties. I suspect the $150,000 is not as important to KT as the way it was presented to him. Strong arm tactics usually do not work as well as diplomacy. There needs to be some give and take.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
Do you really think that KT's receiving a $150,000 extortion letter (his words) really made him want to work with anyone?

Now they see the error of their ways and it seems that all parties will agree to a meeting where in the end all parties can come to some agreement.

Since it appears that KT is willing to meet he may even be willing to come to some sanctioning agreement among all parties. I suspect the $150,000 is not as important to KT as the way it was presented to him. Strong arm tactics usually do not work as well as diplomacy. There needs to be some give and take.

Jake
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KT said he would remember those who were against him when they decide they want on the ship...

If I were him, I'd crush the WPA for the letter they put out a while back and what Ian said to KT (assuming it was true) in the story in BD.

Most people in the pool world are at the IPTs mercy. Funny how the little guys spoke up without thinking first. It will be interesting to see how everybody changes their positions while trying to "save face".



I guess it would be nice if they all worked something out but I am more of a "you made your bed now sleep in it" kind of person...
 
CaptiveBred said:
KT said he would remember those who were against him when they decide they want on the ship...

If I were him, I'd crush the WPA for the letter they put out a while back and what Ian said to KT (assuming it was true) in the story in BD.

Most people in the pool world are at the IPTs mercy. Funny how the little guys spoke up without thinking first. It will be interesting to see how everybody changes their positions while trying to "save face".



I guess it would be nice if they all worked something out but I am more of a "you made your bed now sleep in it" kind of person...
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I didn't like the way the WPA did what they did, however the Euro Tour is simply sanctioned by them but tun by two blokes who have worked pretty hard to make it what it is today. They got the prize money up recently but it is still too low given the strength of competition. However they have just signed a deal with eurosport to get all events on TV and hopefully the prize money will go up again. I don't think KT went out of his way to clash with the euro tour, I think its obvious he did with the WPA blue ribbond events such as the WPC's etc, also the US Open had not much to do with the UPA. The point is, and you keep ignoring this. KT said, yes thats right he said, he had worked with all the other tours to avoid date clashes. We now know this to be a big porky pie (since THREE TDs have now come out and exposed it as such). You know what though, if hes seen the reaction in the pool world and he fixes it and works with them from now on I don't care. Like the EPBF says, its in the interest of ALL players to be able to play in as many events as possible, what I've been arguing here for the last week or two.

GO the playboy girls! :eek:
 
TheOne said:
I didn't like the way the WPA did what they did, however the Euro Tour is simply sanctioned by them but tun by two blokes who have worked pretty hard to make it what it is today. They got the prize money up recently but it is still too low given the strength of competition. However they have just signed a deal with eurosport to get all events on TV and hopefully the prize money will go up again. I don't think KT went out of his way to clash with the euro tour, I think its obvious he did with the WPA blue ribbond events such as the WPC's etc, also the US Open had not much to do with the UPA. The point is, and you keep ignoring this. KT said, yes thats right he said, he had worked with all the other tours to avoid date clashes. We now know this to be a big porky pie (since THREE TDs have now come out and exposed it as such). You know what though, if hes seen the reaction in the pool world and he fixes it and works with them from now on I don't care. Like the EPBF says, its in the interest of ALL players to be able to play in as many events as possible, what I've been arguing here for the last week or two.

GO the playboy girls! :eek:
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KT never said, that I have seen, that he or the IPT worked with anyone else to avoid clashes. All I remember reading was that he said he would try to avoid clashes. Could you quote where he said they actually did consult with or work with anyone else before setting their dates?

I doubt that KT changed his dates because of anything that has been written here on AZ. More likely he and Barry Hearn came to an agreement among relative equals and the US Open changed their dates on their own.

The reality on the horizon is that the IPT will schedule their events and everyone else will need to move theirs if they want to see the big name pros at their events.

I sincerely hope that a whole feeder system evolves that gets people dreaming of making it on the International Pool Tour. Sucks that it is entirely owned by one person but the sad reality is that no organization of players or sport association has been able to grow theirs into a strong enough, cohesive enough or fair enough body to be able to sell the rights to hold events. The PGA is an association that has that power and is dedicated to the sport it serves.

PGA
http://www.worldgolf.com/wglibrary/history/ampgahis.html

john
 
onepocketchump said:
KT never said, that I have seen, that he or the IPT worked with anyone else to avoid clashes. All I remember reading was that he said he would try to avoid clashes. Could you quote where he said they actually did consult with or work with anyone else before setting their dates?

I doubt that KT changed his dates because of anything that has been written here on AZ. More likely he and Barry Hearn came to an agreement among relative equals and the US Open changed their dates on their own.

The reality on the horizon is that the IPT will schedule their events and everyone else will need to move theirs if they want to see the big name pros at their events.

I sincerely hope that a whole feeder system evolves that gets people dreaming of making it on the International Pool Tour. Sucks that it is entirely owned by one person but the sad reality is that no organization of players or sport association has been able to grow theirs into a strong enough, cohesive enough or fair enough body to be able to sell the rights to hold events. The PGA is an association that has that power and is dedicated to the sport it serves.

PGA
http://www.worldgolf.com/wglibrary/history/ampgahis.html

john
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Come on onepocket!!! catch up! didn't you see the IPT press release? didnt you see the US Open press release? Didnt you see the BPPPA Press release? Its all there in black and white! Fact is the IPT said they had "done everything they could to work with promotors to avoid date clashes" and then the TD's came out and showed them up, and the forums went nuts. I think it can be shown that there's a history of KT reacting to the forums, but whether it was this, the TD press releases or a combination of the two, fact is the IPT only got in negotiation with the other tours/TDs AFTER they released their dates, there can be absoloutely no doubt about this if you read the facts.

I don't thinkanyone should have the attitude of we'll fix our dates and everyone else should move to fit in with it. All the big events should work together in the interests of the players and pool in general.
 
CaptiveBred said:
KT said he would remember those who were against him when they decide they want on the ship...

If I were him, I'd crush the WPA for the letter they put out a while back and what Ian said to KT (assuming it was true) in the story in BD.

Most people in the pool world are at the IPTs mercy. Funny how the little guys spoke up without thinking first. It will be interesting to see how everybody changes their positions while trying to "save face".



I guess it would be nice if they all worked something out but I am more of a "you made your bed now sleep in it" kind of person...
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Remember that KT is moving people (pool players) into the business world. A world that he is quite accomplished and comfortable in. He may agree to meet with the other parties but somehow I believe he will have the upper hand and will set the agenda.

If they come in demanding then they will lose. If they come to listen to what he has to say they may be able to work something out.
 
TheOne said:
.......didn't you see the IPT press release? didnt you see the US Open press release? Didnt you see the BPPPA Press release? Its all there in black and white! Fact is the IPT said they had "done everything they could to work with promotors to avoid date clashes" .........
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I get the feeling the WPA has caused these problems. I'm not saying it is right, or wrong. Just that, based on the following KT quotes, it looks like the WPA and everybody involved with them may have become insignifacant entities. Maybe the hostilities had repercussions in the punative form... Although, CW got in and he staged a competing event that seemed suspicious...

I tossed in a couple other quotes that apply to the topic, as well...

KT said:
The International Pool Tour is proud to announce the 2006 IPT Season. The IPT is hosting six major tournaments for 2006 and over $8 million in prize money is being given away. A tour season of this magnitude has been difficult to schedule without clashing with other events. We have done everything in our power to work around other promoters' tournaments whose schedules have been announced. However, even with our best efforts, it was impossible for us to find world class venues, with the space and number of days required, that would not conflict with some other tournaments. We have contacted all major promoters and they have been overwhelmingly cooperative and understanding with regard to tournament date clashes. They will be rescheduling tournaments so that players will be able to participate in both IPT events and other events as well. Scheduling these tournaments has been a major challenge. Each tournament requires over 60,000 sq.ft. of space to accommodate over 60 tables, player and staff green rooms, and exhibit space. We require three days move in time, seven or eight days for tournament play, and one day to break down and move out. Finding a world class venue to accommodate these requirements has been a major undertaking. However, the IPT team has secured spectacular venues that the pool world has never before seen!



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"It's interesting what happened," Trudeau says. "I put up all the money and do all the work for my events, and some guy from Australia [World Pocket Billiard Association President Ian Anderson] calls and says I need to pay him $150,000. I said, 'What are you? The mafia?' He tells me that this fee will make my event 'sanctioned.' I don't consider that a good value.

"He goes on to say that if I don't pay the sanctioning fee, none of his players will play in my events....

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"Look. I don't want to be adversarial," Trudeau insists, "But I've gotten one call from 'the industry,' and it was to shake me down for money."

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but I can tell you this, no mafia-style organization is going to come up to me and demand money out of my pocket because of my successful enterprise.

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I believe they are parasitical organizations that suck off the production of others

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Therefore, there is no organization that qualifies to come up to me, put a gun to my head, and demand money out of my pocket. It’s insane when these groups come to me and say that they own the players. If you don’t pay us, our players are not going to be allowed to play in your tournaments.

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Tom_In_Cincy_AKA_SactownTom_ <Q> Are there any considerations for schedule conflicts with existing tournaments?

ktrudeau <A> no..they must consider the money here..

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I am doing MY THING....anyone who wants to come on board..fine..if not...fine too......and when they decide they WANT to be on board..i have a good memory!!! :)

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jjinfla said:
Remember that KT is moving people (pool players) into the business world. A world that he is quite accomplished and comfortable in. He may agree to meet with the other parties but somehow I believe he will have the upper hand and will set the agenda.

If they come in demanding then they will lose. If they come to listen to what he has to say they may be able to work something out.
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If the IPT could just publish the dates of their tournaments and STICK to them, there would be no problems. Other tours could plan around these dates and players could play more tournaments. That would be good for pool, dont you think?
Gabber
 
onepocketchump said:
KT never said, that I have seen, that he or the IPT worked with anyone else to avoid clashes. All I remember reading was that he said he would try to avoid clashes. Could you quote where he said they actually did consult with or work with anyone else before setting their dates?
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Nostroke said:
Kevin Trudeau' words

Will IPT tournaments conflict with other tournaments?

Answer:
My goal is to have the IPT enhance all other tours and tournaments. I do not want to have any conflicts with any other tours or tournaments. I am in the process of putting together the 2006 and 2007 schedule now. My staff is in contact with the other major tours around the world and we are doing our best not to have conflicting tournaments.
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Taken from the IPT website I believe. ;)
 
Maybe ...

Those 'other' tours were approached by the IPT for scheduling and they were totally uncooperative for doing so, so KT went ahead with his own
scheduling, knowing full well that HE is the new Sheriff in town making the rules.
 
Timberly said:
Taken from the IPT website I believe. ;)
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Thanks Timberely Luv, I really couldn't be bothered. Some people only believe what they want to believe even though its all there in black and white.

:rolleyes:
 
TheOne said:
Thanks Timberely Luv, I really couldn't be bothered. Some people only believe what they want to believe even though its all there in black and white.

:rolleyes:
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Quit rolling your eyes at me!

Read what you wrote and look in the mirror, that is to whom it is addressed.

Do you really believe that KT set up all the schedules by himself? If he did he sure is all powerfull.

I am sure that he had a team assigned to find places where he could hold them, find out what dates are available, and then try and see if you could work around other tournaments. Plus make sure that KT and Deno are available. (Probably the most important consideration). I am sure it was a monumental task. Not one that I could ever accomplish without going nuts.

At some point they had to say this is the best they can do and go with it.

And, at this point it does seem like everything is working out for the best. So rather than criticize his team, I praise them.

As an example, ask someone who is getting married and how hard it was for them to get a church, hall, band, photographer, invitations, etc. And that is only one event. You better plan a year in advance or run off to Vegas.

Jake
 
Originally Posted by Nostroke
Kevin Trudeau' words

Will IPT tournaments conflict with other tournaments?

Answer:
My goal is to have the IPT enhance all other tours and tournaments. I do not want to have any conflicts with any other tours or tournaments. I am in the process of putting together the 2006 and 2007 schedule now. My staff is in contact with the other major tours around the world and we are doing our best not to have conflicting tournaments.


So he said he was doing his best not to have conflicts. That still does not say that there would be no conflicts. For all we know they did do their best.

Well, it seems to have worked out for the US Open and all concerned. I suspect in future years the IPT will set the schedule that others adhere to. The WPBA for example has one tournament that overlaps to some degree. I will tell you this, if the WPBA were to just let their IPT players play they would definitely fill up the void with a lot of lower ranked players who need tour points. There is a perfect situation where it could work out for everyone.

John
 
TheOne said:
Come on onepocket!!! catch up! didn't you see the IPT press release? didnt you see the US Open press release? Didnt you see the BPPPA Press release? Its all there in black and white! Fact is the IPT said they had "done everything they could to work with promotors to avoid date clashes" and then the TD's came out and showed them up, and the forums went nuts. I think it can be shown that there's a history of KT reacting to the forums, but whether it was this, the TD press releases or a combination of the two, fact is the IPT only got in negotiation with the other tours/TDs AFTER they released their dates, there can be absoloutely no doubt about this if you read the facts.

I don't thinkanyone should have the attitude of we'll fix our dates and everyone else should move to fit in with it. All the big events should work together in the interests of the players and pool in general.
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I don't need to "catch up" - I have been here all along. The fact of the matter is that there is no clearinghouse for tournaments. The Viking Tour doesn't check with the local rooms when they put on their tournaments, the US Open doesn't check with the Viking Tour when scheduling it, Matchroom has scheduled the World Championships against the BCA Trade show, the #1 women's player in the world won't be playing in the World Championships because it is scheduled in Taipei just three days after the first WPBA event, making it uncomfortable at best to participate.

If you want to believe that the forum comments (and presumably yours in particular) were the catalyst for whatever changes have been made then good on you as you all like to say. I tend to believe that the IPT and Matchroom are somewhat of equals and they would have worked out their issues regardless. The US Open changed it's dates with no movement on the IPT's part. I have a feeling that there is probably more than we know about going on behind the scenes here. More than likely some icons in the billiard world are finding out that they just aren't part of the circle of influence that they might feel they ought to be in.

Good luck in the Weert qualifier if you attend. I think you would be a good player to have on the IPT.

John
 
Refill the cup, and drink it up...

Too many people on this forum need a bib to wipe the Kool-Aid from their chins...
 
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