straightline: "Can you provide the logic behind this?"

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You asked for it.
So here's some logic.

When I as about 12 years old, I had a friend, Robert.
His father worked for Ampex. He was some sort of engineer or researcher.
I think Ampex was later bought out by Fairchild, etc.
His father, at least on two occasions, emphasized that he was a brain-picker.
I'll admit that at the time I felt a bit ill at ease when told this.
He emphatically said that he literally picked peoples brains.
And he would reach out with a hand as if plucking something from the air.
Sounded like cannibalism to this kid.
He meant that he gained knowledge and experience from other people's
knowledge and experiences by "picking their brains."
I'm sure you understand.

So I've noticed that the current crop of world class pool champions don't
spend much if any time at all here on AZBilliards forums.
If anyone was seeking knowledge and wisdom about pool, they'd seek it from these champions.
But from what I've seen and heard none of them are or have come forward offering any free precious golden tidbits.
Gorst was asked once and he said, "I just see the shots."
That was it.
Does anyone buy that?
All of these greats know exactly what they are doing in detail that has made them champions.
Each and every one could divulge their secrets if they wanted to.
But they don't.
So there must be a reason.
You figure it out.
I'm not even going to try.

But I have decided to follow their lead.
Seems like the wise thing to do.
So don't expect the Holy Grail from me in this regard.
The best one can hope for is to serendipitously run across previously revealed information that is still rather obscure
and held closely by the keepers of privileged knowledge. While not secret, still lesser known and rare.

So get off my case.

Pool actually is what-you-see-is-what-you-get. There really are no secrets. These "secrets" are all a psychological scam meant to dumb us down. Nothing is hidden. It's all right there on the cloth covered tabletop with its rails, pockets, balls, the cue, the chalk, and of course, the Action. Sharp focus, acute observation, critical thinking, and perhaps a creative bent is all you need. Figure it out for yourself. Then keep quiet.
 
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You asked for it.
So here's some logic.

When I as about 12 years old, I had a friend, Robert.
His father worked for Ampex. He was some sort of engineer or researcher.
I think Ampex was later bought out by Fairchild, etc.
His father, at least on two occasions, emphasized that he was a brain-picker.
I'll admit that at the time I felt a bit ill at ease when told this.
He emphatically said that he literally picked peoples brains.
And he would reach out with a hand as if plucking something from the air.
Sounded like cannibalism to this kid.
He meant that he gained knowledge and experience from other people's
knowledge and experiences by "picking their brains."
I'm sure you understand.

So I've noticed that the current crop of world class pool champions don't
spend much if any time at all here on AZBilliards forums.
If anyone was seeking knowledge and wisdom about pool, they'd seek it from these champions.
But from what I've seen and heard none of them are or have come forward offering any free precious golden tidbits.
Gorst was asked once and he said, "I just see the shots."
That was it.
Does anyone buy that?
All of these greats know exactly what they are doing in detail that has made them champions.
Each and every one could divulge their secrets if they wanted to.
But they don't.
So there must be a reason.
You figure it out.
I'm not even going to try.

But I have decided to follow their lead.
Seems like the wise thing to do.
So don't expect the Holy Grail from me in this regard.
The best one can hope for is to serendipitously run across previously revealed information that is still rather obscure
and held closely by the keepers of privileged knowledge. While not secret, still lesser known and rare.

So get off my case.

Pool actually is what-you-see-is-what-you-get. There really are no secrets. These "secrets" are all a psychological scam meant to dumb us down. Nothing is hidden. It's all right there on the cloth covered tabletop with its rails, pockets, balls, the cue, the chalk, and of course, the Action. Sharp focus, acute observation, critical thinking, and perhaps a creative bent is all you need. Figure it out for yourself. Then keep quiet.

You said it, there are no "secrets" in the way that some people think will bump them 50 fargo points over night. I am far from Gorst (695 ish) but I couldn't agree more when he said "I just see the shots". Once you have your good fundamentals and pre-shot routine, there is a lot to be said for thousands of hours of practicing with intent.
 
You said it, there are no "secrets" in the way that some people think will bump them 50 fargo points over night. I am far from Gorst (695 ish) but I couldn't agree more when he said "I just see the shots". Once you have your good fundamentals and pre-shot routine, there is a lot to be said for thousands of hours of practicing with intent.
Of course.
But he still knows exactly what he's doing and he knows how he got there.
Yet he's not spilling the beans.
But I respect that.
 
Of course.
But he still knows exactly what he's doing and he knows how he got there.
Yet he's not spilling the beans.
But I respect that.
There aren't any "beans" to be spilled.

World class performers in anything simply operate at a physical level far beyond what the vast majority of us mere mortals are capable.

No magic pill. Although we'd love to think otherwise, they're just exponentially more talented.
 
There aren't any "beans" to be spilled.

World class performers in anything simply operate at a physical level far beyond what the vast majority of us mere mortals are capable.

No magic pill. Although we'd love to think otherwise, they're just exponentially more talented.

100%. The secret is practice but thats not sexy enough
 
There aren't any "beans" to be spilled.

World class performers in anything simply operate at a physical level far beyond what the vast majority of us mere mortals are capable.

No magic pill. Although we'd love to think otherwise, they're just exponentially more talented.
World class pocket billiards performers still know what they know but realize there is no use explaining it.
The questions would never stop.
There are so many people who want to know.
They would never be left alone.

Gorst knows. And he could explain it.
But what for?

What were you before you were human?
Gorst: Different.
Different how?
Gorst: It would only frighten you.
-the day the earth stood still 2008

A.I. Gorst stopped communicating because humans could no longer understand it.
-Automata 2014

Gorst is not an alien
Gorst is not A.I.
But some people believe he is someone they need to exalt.
And believe others should do so as well.
Go figure.

What do any of you think he knows about aligning a cue stick to make
a shot that you don't know or wouldn't understand?
Or probably couldn't do if he explained it to you?
Get real.

He still knows what he's doing and has decided not to take the time to explain
because it is simply too much of a burden and not worth it.

But I'm sure at some level he thinks you are all very amusing.

I'm happy for him.
I just think you shouldn't sell yourself short.

What do they know?
Efficiency.
Years of practice has taught them efficiency.
In a nutshell, this is what they could teach you.
And save you an immense amount of time as a result.
 
You asked for it.
So here's some logic.

When I as about 12 years old, I had a friend, Robert.
His father worked for Ampex. He was some sort of engineer or researcher.
I think Ampex was later bought out by Fairchild, etc.
His father, at least on two occasions, emphasized that he was a brain-picker.
I'll admit that at the time I felt a bit ill at ease when told this.
He emphatically said that he literally picked peoples brains.
And he would reach out with a hand as if plucking something from the air.
Sounded like cannibalism to this kid.
He meant that he gained knowledge and experience from other people's
knowledge and experiences by "picking their brains."
I'm sure you understand.

So I've noticed that the current crop of world class pool champions don't
spend much if any time at all here on AZBilliards forums.
If anyone was seeking knowledge and wisdom about pool, they'd seek it from these champions.
But from what I've seen and heard none of them are or have come forward offering any free precious golden tidbits.
Gorst was asked once and he said, "I just see the shots."
That was it.
Does anyone buy that?
All of these greats know exactly what they are doing in detail that has made them champions.
Each and every one could divulge their secrets if they wanted to.
But they don't.
So there must be a reason.
You figure it out.
I'm not even going to try.

But I have decided to follow their lead.
Seems like the wise thing to do.
So don't expect the Holy Grail from me in this regard.
The best one can hope for is to serendipitously run across previously revealed information that is still rather obscure
and held closely by the keepers of privileged knowledge. While not secret, still lesser known and rare.

So get off my case.

Pool actually is what-you-see-is-what-you-get. There really are no secrets. These "secrets" are all a psychological scam meant to dumb us down. Nothing is hidden. It's all right there on the cloth covered tabletop with its rails, pockets, balls, the cue, the chalk, and of course, the Action. Sharp focus, acute observation, critical thinking, and perhaps a creative bent is all you need. Figure it out for yourself. Then keep quiet.
Why pros won't give away secrets.

Uh because um duh? Figured. Done.

Gorst is a pro from the land of mind kontrol no less. Why in fk would he want to clue anyone to the way his game works? Same with anyone trying to make a buck at anything. Nevermind just tight lipped pool pros.

Your case. :LOL::ROFLMAO::eek:o_O
Just trying to get some consistency out of you. You come across as a bad con trying to take a dive. Actually I think you're just old and high strung. Weed too.
But, I'm not your shrink. I have though, been chipping away at pool since the early 70s. If you talk pool, it's imperative you make sense or I'll ask for clarification.
If you must lay your spiel down, there's an instructors forum besides the aiming forum. Have at those...
 
The Retired Pro players have made knowledge available through various ways.
Willie Hoppe and Willie Mosconi in books. Stephen Hendry has a youtube channel.
The knowledge is available. 🤷‍♂️
Mizerack gave me a copy of his book.
 
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The Retired Pro players have made knowledge available through various ways.
Willie Hoppe and Willie Mosconi in books. Stephen Hendry has a youtube channel.
The knowledge is available. 🤷‍♂️
Mizerack gave me a copy of his book.
Yeah certain how tos and maybe the devalued (to them) tip or two. Pool technique and basic gaming can be found anywhere - except Clouflare at the moment.
The winning secrets..,
Ya think??
 
I suspect Gorst was using his Russian sense of humor. With that said I do believe its possible and probable that someone can simply see the angle and through a lifetime of playing execute that shot. I watched a clip of SVB explaining how he aimed shots like his cue was his old 30-30 rifle. Relatable for some completely foreign to others.

I will disagree with the general idea they don't share knowledge. I've seen countless videos of pros sharing insight, technique, training. We live in a very interesting time with so much knowledge at our finger tips with 2 of the 3 learning types available. 1&2 reading, and watching. 3 doing takes a lifetime to master as others have noted.
 
I suspect Gorst was using his Russian sense of humor. With that said I do believe its possible and probable that someone can simply see the angle and through a lifetime of playing execute that shot. I watched a clip of SVB explaining how he aimed shots like his cue was his old 30-30 rifle. Relatable for some completely foreign to others.

I will disagree with the general idea they don't share knowledge. I've seen countless videos of pros sharing insight, technique, training. We live in a very interesting time with so much knowledge at our finger tips with 2 of the 3 learning types available. 1&2 reading, and watching. 3 doing takes a lifetime to master as others have noted.
I think it is more than that. I think anyone who has played seriously as a hobby or better already just sees the angles and knows when the shot looks right. You don't have to be world class to do that.
 
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The pros want your money by offering instructional and training sessions for pay. Many of them earn their living by doing that as we all know that there isn’t much money in pro pool.
So this is why you’ll get vague answers from them.
You might think that it’s all there in the open but there are secrets to this game as some things just hide in plain sight, well it used to be… but today the knowledge is out there and you need to search for it.
 
I don’t see or think about the relationship between my foot and the pedals or my hands and the steering wheel. I don’t think about the bug that just splattered on my windshield or the children the bug left behind or how the bug has obscured my vision. Don’t GAF about a f’n bug!

I just drive the car
 
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