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Strange Aiming/Warm-up Strokes
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Nah- PJ knows more than anyone. He watches Youtube.
When we went out back where the players were taking their cigarette breaks, the conversation became interesting. Those guys are taught CTE as kids out there. It's all they know. Imagine that. There is no ghost ball there.
CTE is not a panacea, and is not for everyone
Man, oh man, Dave, you are quite the CTE salesman! But when someone asks you how CTE works, you respond that you don't know, don't care, and neither should anyone who wants to learn it -- just accept it that it works (because you did), and that's that. Or, a song and dance ensues about how the information "is not yours to share" and therefore you're not in a position to share it. But yet we see Matrix-like "there is no spoon" posts like this from you.
Don't get me wrong, Dave, I'm not trying to start an adversarial thing here. (We've talked before, and you *know* I respect you.) I just happen to know for a fact that not all Filipinos are taught CTE as you position. A prime example is Efren -- he's a classic ghostballer/contact-point aimer (and yes, I asked him).
I know you're excited about CTE, and I heartily congratulate you for it! It's great when a system works for a particular person -- anything to help get a better game, I say. But CTE is not, and I repeat NOT, an aiming panacea. CTE is not for everyone -- especially those (like myself) who have EXCELLENT 3D spacial visualization. I'm not going to "throw away" my natural ability to see that ghostball (as well as where it's touching the cloth at the contact point of the object ball -- a spot which is a piece of cake for me to aim at), just so I can "blindly" point and pivot and trust. I did try it over a span of a couple of months, and I didn't like it -- on every shot, it was like I was constantly fighting myself to ignore all this information that was pouring into my head from my 3D spacial perception, and I had to reroute that info to the mental trash bin, because a voice was saying "Use the [point-and-pivot] force, Luke!"
I guess what I'm saying here is that if one has good 3D spacial perception, ghostball/contact-point aiming might be the best fit. Those that have trouble seeing the ghostball/contact-point (read: those that advocate "how can I aim at something I can't see?") should investigate a system like CTE. Whatever works -- the key is to try it. If it doesn't work, try something else. Once something is found that works, then (and only then) investigate *why* it works, if one is of the type of person that finds this information interesting.
And, if one is going to be a booster for any particular type of system, and publicly expose him/herself to being a sort of resident expert on the topic, one *better* know the finer details of *why* the system works. This "so-and-so system works, it's proven to work, there's no reason to know why, just accept it" stance is not going to fly. Many folks have an inherent need to know why things work, before the information is fully accepted and absorbed.
Respectfully,
-Sean
Man, oh man, Dave, you are quite the CTE salesman! But when someone asks you how CTE works, you respond that you don't know, don't care, and neither should anyone who wants to learn it -- just accept it that it works (because you did), and that's that. Or, a song and dance ensues about how the information "is not yours to share" and therefore you're not in a position to share it. But yet we see Matrix-like "there is no spoon" posts like this from you.
Don't get me wrong, Dave, I'm not trying to start an adversarial thing here. (We've talked before, and you *know* I respect you.) I just happen to know for a fact that not all Filipinos are taught CTE as you position. A prime example is Efren -- he's a classic ghostballer/contact-point aimer (and yes, I asked him).
I know you're excited about CTE, and I heartily congratulate you for it! It's great when a system works for a particular person -- anything to help get a better game, I say. But CTE is not, and I repeat NOT, an aiming panacea. CTE is not for everyone -- especially those (like myself) who have EXCELLENT 3D spacial visualization. I'm not going to "throw away" my natural ability to see that ghostball (as well as where it's touching the cloth at the contact point of the object ball -- a spot which is a piece of cake for me to aim at), just so I can "blindly" point and pivot and trust. I did try it over a span of a couple of months, and I didn't like it -- on every shot, it was like I was constantly fighting myself to ignore all this information that was pouring into my head from my 3D spacial perception, and I had to reroute that info to the mental trash bin, because a voice was saying "Use the [point-and-pivot] force, Luke!"
I guess what I'm saying here is that if one has good 3D spacial perception, ghostball/contact-point aiming might be the best fit. Those that have trouble seeing the ghostball/contact-point (read: those that advocate "how can I aim at something I can't see?") should investigate a system like CTE. Whatever works -- the key is to try it. If it doesn't work, try something else. Once something is found that works, then (and only then) investigate *why* it works, if one is of the type of person that finds this information interesting.
And, if one is going to be a booster for any particular type of system, and publicly expose him/herself to being a sort of resident expert on the topic, one *better* know the finer details of *why* the system works. This "so-and-so system works, it's proven to work, there's no reason to know why, just accept it" stance is not going to fly. Many folks have an inherent need to know why things work, before the information is fully accepted and absorbed.
Respectfully,
-Sean
He pivots from his backhand. It's plain as day.
I haven't looked at a contact point in years - they don't exist as far as I'm concerned. If he's looking to the backside of a ball--- it's to see if the shot goes... not where he's touching the ball.
The reason I posted what I did is because I know, not because I think. As I stated earlier - we discussed it in detail a year or two ago. Take from it what you will, or don't believe it at all. It's all good either way
Hey Spider , Got a question what do you mean by Pivots ?
He pivots from his backhand. It's plain as day.
I haven't looked at a contact point in years - they don't exist as far as I'm concerned. If he's looking to the backside of a ball--- it's to see if the shot goes... not where he's touching the ball.
The reason I posted what I did is because I know, not because I think. As I stated earlier - we discussed it in detail a year or two ago. Take from it what you will, or don't believe it at all. It's all good either way
Heres a some videos of him stroking a little straighter than normal and him
looking at the contact point.
He maybe doing a little of cte but the reason for the stick going to the left
all the time is because he plays with a left handed cue and being right handed its hard to stroke it perfect.He dosnt look at contact points ,,
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Am I reading this right , A Left handed Cue , it's like saying in a kitchen where's the left handed spatula's located at .
Those with an inherent need to know can find out who knows and ask questions instead of scanning azb for epiphanies. I tend to be a target with posts like yours because I'm the most verbal guy on here with pivoting systems - but I'm not the guy for the education. I don't advertise anything - not selling anything - not teaching anything.
Dave:
Don't get me wrong -- I'm not lighting into you, nor am I chastizing you for your beliefs, nor am I "targeting you with my posts" as you mention above. Everyone's entitled to his/her beliefs, and as I already mentioned, if something works for you -- great! We could all use a boost, something we believe in, that gets us to the next step -- pocketing the ball and getting position on the next shot.
My point was if one is to put him/herself out there in the public eye as a proponent or booster of a particular system (which you *have* done), one *better* be armed with the extra information needed to support that position -- i.e. the education. Or, at least with ready references for that information, when those questions come. It's ok if one does not him/herself want to learn the "hows" and "whys" a system works. But, have referral information for the "education" for those that are going to ask for it (e.g. it's ok to say "I'm not the person who has this information, but you can go 'here'" [exact reference, not a dismissive wave-off-with-the-hand, "search for it and you'll find it" dictum].
Anything less than this, and one is essentially climbing atop the church steeple and assuming the role of a lightning rod for what comes next.
Again, I say this with respect,
-Sean
I guess I'll have to figured this one out on my own .:frown:
Thats right a left handed cue for right handers .It help you pocket the shots
that you have to play left handed, it also helps you pocket ball on the left
side of the table.
You have my attention 8pack. What makes a cue a "left handed cue"? I've never heard of this.
You have my attention 8pack. What makes a cue a "left handed cue"? I've never heard of this.
Your left hand,,,
Thanks for the info , I've never heard of that at all , I guess I've been living under a rock thanks a 8pack .
When someone is using a pivot system for aiming what they are doing is
lineing up the cue tip somewhere eles besides cb center,they aim this offset
somewhere at the object ball .( edge or center usually becuase they are easy to see.)Then once they doe this they pivot the cue back to center creating a new aim.
1. Find the OB contact point
2. Hit it with the CB contact point (by memory/feel)
pj
chgo
do you have a DVD....how much? :grin:
What happened to using the "Light Saber" aiming method said you used while on RSB? That was a good one.