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Struggling to understand the visual sweeps in CTE pro one
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GoldenFlash
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Nowhere in my post did I say his pool career was doomed if he didn't 'get with pro1'.
I said what I said and nothing more...what you inferred isn't my problem.
Read it again.....I said "otherwise you are doomed to never finding out what you don't know" and nothing else.
How he finds out 'what he doesn't know' is not on me.
My personal opinion, however, is that if someone spends good money for an instructional DVD and doesn't really dive into it and burn the midnight oil with deep study and work, they're pretty dumb with their money.
I checked that CTE method of aiming pretty darn good before I ever spent a dime. It has worked wonders for my game...(which wasn't all that hot in the first place). I discovered that I had been flying by the seat of my pants for 60 years with "estimating"....now the only time a ball gets missed is if I choose wrong on the 15-30-45 angles or (I hit it badly). Stan calls this 'getting the perception', which in my opinion is the whole deal. Assuming a player has a reasonably straight stroke, the ball goes in the pocket. The method eliminates so many variables and that's good enough for me.
CJ Wiley's TOI method will do the same things. A person just needs the individuality to throw off their shackles of mediocrity and do the work required.
Both methods (notice I avoid use of the word "system") just give a player a tighter percentage and an edge....just as when playing poker and the guys next to you continue to loosely flash their hole cards.
By the way, I don't use Pro1, I prefer the manual pivoting procedure into the shot line, it's simpler for me. And I do not think too much of "feel, instinct", that kind of stuff...I prefer unemotional, cold ruthless mechanics.
Selah.
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So basically it's all about how one practices and not what system is used then.
You could replace CTE and TOI with the names of other system , style of play and this still would be a correct statement, huh.
GoldenFlash
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A correct statement in my post concerns most pool shooters, who never discover what they don't know due to a variety of reasons...stubbornness, lost in the past, closed minded, hardheaded, dysfunctional backgrounds, etc. etc.
Simply any emotion that suspends them in a failed self absorbed cocoon of their own making.
See yourself in there anywhere?
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I did just that and he said it was his site and to make my own site. I red-lined all the incorrect info.
The glooming issue with Dr Dave's CTE information is that CTE is based on perceptions, not lines drawn on a 2D diagram. Perception meaning how we perceive two spheres lying on a 2x1 table standing behind the cueball. There are a lot of things to take into account here, largely how we physically line up on CTEL and A/B/C given the placement of the two balls. This is why CTE is not a system you just walk up to the table and test. It is very different than most any system taught in the last century of pool. Once you put some time in at the table it slowly begins to make sense. Its like playing piano/golf/darts, you have to practice to figure it out, not just read a book or a set of instructions. Depending on how you aim at pool now, CTE may come easily, or it may be like a bull in a china shop. It isn't always easy to rewire how we execute such a fundamental routine in pool.
GoldenFlash
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It was pure hell for me. I had no clue what was going on. I had always used the "ghost ball" deal....to my chagrin.
But I had paid money for it and I kept watching "this old guy" Stan in the videos making all those shots in the blind behind a curtain and all that stuff. And I kept saying, by golly if he can do it so can I.
I went so far as to take a small piece of plywood, glue some cheap cloth on it and take 2 pool balls with me all day on the bus I drive for an old folks home. In between stops and on my breaks, I would set up those balls over and over and learn "how to read the perceptions". It drove me bat crazy almost....I didn't get any better. In fact, I even got worse.
And then one day after maybe a hundred hours fooling with it, suddenly it started working...just like that. Since then it's been all fun and confidence for me...I now have a method for aiming that eliminates guesswork when done correctly and it is REPEATABLE.
My determination comes from my early days as a magician. When I first picked up the book "The Expert At The Card Table" when I was 12 years old, I thought the writer was insane and that no way in the world will someone ever be able to do a bottom deal, a two handed shift, a hole card switch, or a bottom palm in front of a group of grown men who are gambling for money. After 2 years of practicing in front of a mirror 3 hours a day, I found out that indeed it was quite practical and workable. Therein lies the determination.
I can't speak for other people.
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Maybe you know my late cousin Robert (Bobby) Smith (RIP).
He was an accomplished magician, juggler and entertainer.
Also a pilot and private tour guide.
He performed at the worlds fair when it was in Seattle.
But you don't know me, my back ground or my pool history so why do you try to degrade me?
I'm not quite as old as you but I played a lot of pool from 1967 to 1997 then gave it up for work. I won a straight pool tourny in 1987. In the final game, I had two runs over 50 and got out in six turns. My high run was 75.
I never played 14.1 after that but I got a lot better before I quit playing.
I retired in 2012 and fought cancer for a year. Then I started playing just to get out of the house and now I'm playing about APA 7 level on most days and much better on other days.
I think I understand TOI somewhat but it doesn't fit my current shooting style.
I played in a tourny 2 weeks ago with a partner that just started shooting about 2 years ago and we won 16 of 19 games. Lost 2 against break and runs.
My intention is to improve at least one level before September.
I study a lot and practice and play when time allows but my best years are behind me.
My 1st priority now is my wife and dog.
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Sorry, I just took this wrong......CTE is deadly, if you willingly throw off your shackles of mediocrity..
Of course all aiming is based on 3D perceptions OF the 2D geometry that pool operates in.
CTE is no exception.
pj
chgo
GoldenFlash
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I have no intention of leading you to some plan of 'salvation' concerning the game of pool
I have no intention of degrading you at all....I am only questioning some of your ideas, nothing else. No personal trashing meant by me.
Believe me, I am an expert on degrading. I have been degraded and trashed by some of the best degraders in the world..........for years.
You're totally correct...the anonymity of the internet holds many secrets and surprises that would absolutely SHOCK the populace around here. Enough said on that little matter. :wink:
I can't completely agree, at least not in the context of CTE. For instance, lining up on CTEL/A is going to result in a unique physical alignment in relation to CB/OB depending on where they sit on the 2x1 table. This isn't something diagrammable or explainable in a 2D context. It plays off of how our 3D perception works, and AFAIK it is only realized through practice.
Works just as well this way, or substituting any other aiming method.
Yeah, I know, it's ultradimensional or something.
pj
chgo
Ghostball is directly related to the pocket alignment, and easy to diagram in 2D. CTEL/A is a perception between CB/OB. You can't draw that perception in 2D, it always draws as the same alignment.
So whats the difference, is one better than the other? I'll speak from my own experience. When a curtain is placed between the OB and the pocket, GB becomes dramatically more difficult. CTE not so much, as the perception is still visible. When you shoot a bank shot where the pocket is not in direct line-of-sight, GB requires more work, where as CTE is executed the same way: with perceptions between CB/OB. The work in CTE is recognizing the correct perception, and that becomes pretty instant.
What is absolutely critical in any aiming system is stroke. You have to backup the system with a straight repeatable stroke, which only comes with repetition. Stroke is what I battle with the most, especially when I don't spend enough time practicing.
I find CTE to be a powerful tool and very helpful. There is an element of 'suspending belief' when using this method. It really is an exercise in altered perception. I can't explain why a shot--w/ the exact same cut angle--will use different CTE 'solutions' depending on the distance between CB and OB, but I know that CTE helps me find the shot line. Sometimes it works best for me when I let my (67 yr old) eyes blur--it's that kind of an experience of altered perception. I found this short video of Stevie Moore to be of interest, challenging, and it captures the nature of CTE perceptions;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1mlnRiAXA8
S.H.S.M
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Dr Dave is awesome but he didn't explain everything in his website but everybody want to learn can visit Dr Dave website and learn so much and be come like a master
Dbl vision provides a convenient channel with which to view the shot line.
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