struggling with 8-ball

Switching from 9-ball to 8-ball is challenging for me too. It takes a while to switch up my style correctly. If you have the shooting skills to play good 9-ball you can certainly play good 8-ball too. Here a few things to consider for 8-ball:

1. Unlike 9-ball, the racks gets tougher as you progress in 8-ball. You have less options to shoot at and there are lot of ways you can hook yourself. Stay strong and focused throughout the rack.

2. Unlike 9-ball, 8-ball has a lot of options available which means your mind is more likely to wonder away from the shot at hand. Fully commit to a shot and execute.

3. Unlike 9-ball, you have to avoid unnecessary cue ball movement. Ideally, you want all stop shots. When conflicted on shot selection, favor the shot that's more straight in and requires less cue ball movement after contact.

4. Forget what other people say about 8-ball being a game of chess. Once you reach a B+ level of play, it's mainly a runout game. Whoever attempts the runout first will decide the outcome. They either get out and win or don't get out and lose. Running a few balls and playing safe is usually not a viable option. The person with more balls on the table has too big of an advantage in a safety battle and will usually win.

5. When the table is too tough to run out after the break, give it back to your opponent. Leave a ball in front of the pocket and let them try the run out. When they fail, you clean up and win.

6. Remove balls from the center of the table. The balls in the center are open and easy but they also restrict a lot of cue ball paths. Make it a priority to get them out of the way towards the beginning and it will make your runout easier.

7. Look for ways to attack problem balls right away. This is your top priority when attempting a runout.

8. Runout the table in zones. Avoid going up and down the table.

9. Select a key ball for setting up on the 8-ball and work backwards to plan your runout.

10. If you attempt a runout and get out of line, it's time for a hail mary shot. Playing safe won't help. Fully commit and execute. Playing safe rarely wins from there so you might as well take a swing at the win.

11. The shots in 8-ball are usually simple and relatively straight. Don't take them for granted and give each shot the focus it deserves.

12. Cue ball positioning in 8-ball is way more crucial than 9-ball. Try to perfectly land the cue ball on a dime after each shot. That's why stop shots are so important.

13. Unlike 9-ball, you want to avoid 2 and 3 rail shape in 8-ball. Less cue ball movement is better in 8-ball. I can't stress this enough.

14. Bank shots come up more frequently in 8-ball than 9-ball. Practice up and be ready.

15. When breaking out a cluster, just lightly tap the ball. You usually don't have to shoot very hard to open up a ball.

16. Don't play position on a ball you're breaking out. It's hard to control the outcome of the breakout which makes position tough.

17. The head on break opens up the balls more. The second ball break gets more movement out of the 8-ball but creates more clusters. Experiment with both so you can change up your break strategy depending on how it's working or your opponents skill level.

18. With a head on break, use more top spin on the cue ball than you would for your 9-ball break. The 8-ball rack is heavier than the 9-ball rack which causes the cueball to bounce back toward the head string. More top spin will park it in the center of the table.

I'll update this post if I think of anything else. Good luck!
 
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From what I've seen, 8-ball at the highest levels is essentially 9-ball --- Almost all offense. You rarely see safeties among very strong players. If you're very confident in your shotmaking and cueball control, approach the game with the mentality to run out almost every time.
 
I'm having a hell of a time with the mental game of 8-ball. Its not my game, but it's what available for BCA league play and my friends seem to like it, so i joined their team. i've been a long time 9-ball player so aggressive shot making is inherent and comes way more naturally to me. I'm not used to the idea of opting to lock a guy up or giving a hard shot in return (essentially playing a push out) over a shot. Is there some kind of online resource or a book that can help me change my mindset?

Learn to play one pocket....
 
Switching from 9-ball to 8-ball is challenging for me too. It takes a while to switch up my style correctly. If you have the shooting skills to play good 9-ball you can certainly play good 8-ball too. Here a few things to consider for 8-ball:

1. Unlike 9-ball, the racks gets tougher as you progress in 8-ball. You have less options to shoot at and there are lot of ways you can hook yourself. Stay strong and focused throughout the rack.

2. Unlike 9-ball, 8-ball has a lot of options available which means your mind is more likely to wonder away from the shot at hand. Fully commit to a shot and execute.

3. Unlike 9-ball, you have to avoid unnecessary cue ball movement. Ideally, you want all stop shots. When conflicted on shot selection, favor the shot that's more straight in and requires less cue ball movement after contact.

4. Forget what other people say about 8-ball being a game of chess. Once you reach a B+ level of play, it's mainly a runout game. Whoever attempts the runout first will decide the outcome. They either get out and win or don't get out and lose. Running a few balls and playing safe is usually not a viable option. The person with more balls on the table has too big of an advantage in a safety battle and will usually win.

5. When the table is too tough to run out after the break, give it back to your opponent. Leave a ball in front of the pocket and let them try the run out. When they fail, you clean up and win.

6. Remove balls from the center of the table. The balls in the center are open and easy but they also restrict a lot of cue ball paths. Make it a priority to get them out of the way towards the beginning and it will make your runout easier.

7. Look for ways to attack problem balls right away. This is your top priority when attempting a runout.

8. Runout the table in zones. Avoid going up and down the table.

9. Select a key ball for setting up on the 8-ball and work backwards to plan your runout.

10. If you attempt a runout and get out of line, it's time for a hail mary shot. Playing safe won't help. Fully commit and execute. Playing safe rarely wins from there so you might as well take a swing at the win.

11. The shots in 8-ball are usually simple and relatively straight. Don't take them for granted and give each shot the focus it deserves.

12. Cue ball positioning in 8-ball is way more crucial than 9-ball. Try to perfectly land the cue ball on a dime after each shot. That's why stop shots are so important.

13. Unlike 9-ball, you want to avoid 2 and 3 rail shape in 8-ball. Less cue ball movement is better in 8-ball. I can't stress this enough.

14. Bank shots come up more frequently in 8-ball than 9-ball. Practice up and be ready.

15. When breaking out a cluster, just lightly tap the ball. You usually don't have to shoot very hard to open up a ball.

16. Don't play position on a ball you're breaking out. It's hard to control the outcome of the breakout which makes position tough.

17. The head on break opens up the balls more. The second ball break gets more movement out of the 8-ball but creates more clusters. Experiment with both so you can change up your break strategy depending on how it's working or your opponents skill level.

18. With a head on break, use more top spin on the cue ball than you would for your 9-ball break. The 8-ball rack is heavier than the 9-ball rack which causes the cueball to bounce back toward the head string. More top spin will park it in the center of the table.

I'll update this post if I think of anything else. Good luck!

i'm gonna print this out
 
Switching from 9-ball to 8-ball is challenging for me too. It takes a while to switch up my style correctly. If you have the shooting skills to play good 9-ball you can certainly play good 8-ball too. Here a few things to consider for 8-ball:

1. Unlike 9-ball, the racks gets tougher as you progress in 8-ball. You have less options to shoot at and there are lot of ways you can hook yourself. Stay strong and focused throughout the rack.

2. Unlike 9-ball, 8-ball has a lot of options available which means your mind is more likely to wonder away from the shot at hand. Fully commit to a shot and execute.

3. Unlike 9-ball, you have to avoid unnecessary cue ball movement. Ideally, you want all stop shots. When conflicted on shot selection, favor the shot that's more straight in and requires less cue ball movement after contact.

4. Forget what other people say about 8-ball being a game of chess. Once you reach a B+ level of play, it's mainly a runout game. Whoever attempts the runout first will decide the outcome. They either get out and win or don't get out and lose. Running a few balls and playing safe is usually not a viable option. The person with more balls on the table has too big of an advantage in a safety battle and will usually win.

5. When the table is too tough to run out after the break, give it back to your opponent. Leave a ball in front of the pocket and let them try the run out. When they fail, you clean up and win.

6. Remove balls from the center of the table. The balls in the center are open and easy but they also restrict a lot of cue ball paths. Make it a priority to get them out of the way towards the beginning and it will make your runout easier.

7. Look for ways to attack problem balls right away. This is your top priority when attempting a runout.

8. Runout the table in zones. Avoid going up and down the table.

9. Select a key ball for setting up on the 8-ball and work backwards to plan your runout.

10. If you attempt a runout and get out of line, it's time for a hail mary shot. Playing safe won't help. Fully commit and execute. Playing safe rarely wins from there so you might as well take a swing at the win.

11. The shots in 8-ball are usually simple and relatively straight. Don't take them for granted and give each shot the focus it deserves.

12. Cue ball positioning in 8-ball is way more crucial than 9-ball. Try to perfectly land the cue ball on a dime after each shot. That's why stop shots are so important.

13. Unlike 9-ball, you want to avoid 2 and 3 rail shape in 8-ball. Less cue ball movement is better in 8-ball. I can't stress this enough.

14. Bank shots come up more frequently in 8-ball than 9-ball. Practice up and be ready.

15. When breaking out a cluster, just lightly tap the ball. You usually don't have to shoot very hard to open up a ball.

16. Don't play position on a ball you're breaking out. It's hard to control the outcome of the breakout which makes position tough.

17. The head on break opens up the balls more. The second ball break gets more movement out of the 8-ball but creates more clusters. Experiment with both so you can change up your break strategy depending on how it's working or your opponents skill level.

18. With a head on break, use more top spin on the cue ball than you would for your 9-ball break. The 8-ball rack is heavier than the 9-ball rack which causes the cueball to bounce back toward the head string. More top spin will park it in the center of the table.

I'll update this post if I think of anything else. Good luck!

Great advice all through. And you are right about B+ and higher being a game of runout. Often high level pros will go a whole match with almost no safes.

However in most local league play you don't run into many B+ players. If you are a player who can run out playing someone who seldom will, you are at a great disadvantage clearing balls until you have a clean path to a runout. That means starting off just locking up pockets and nudging clusters until all your balls are available. I think the biggest mistake many mid-level players make is just running balls until you can't, leaving the weaker player to make balls or randomly leave you without a shot with too many balls in the way.

In his book "The eight ball bible", Givens calls this "One ball hell". You end up in deep frustration waiting for your opponent to clear some balls, and greatly increasing their odds of winning.
 
I play a lot of 8b just by myself at home.. I just try to run out from start to finish.
 
I'm having a hell of a time with the mental game of 8-ball. Its not my game, but it's what available for BCA league play and my friends seem to like it, so i joined their team. i've been a long time 9-ball player so aggressive shot making is inherent and comes way more naturally to me. I'm not used to the idea of opting to lock a guy up or giving a hard shot in return (essentially playing a push out) over a shot. Is there some kind of online resource or a book that can help me change my mindset?

Lean patience. A lot of time 8 ball comes down to an almost one pocket like game.
I think Phil Capele's 8 ball book is highly regarded although I never read it. Or watch some 8 ball matches the pros play and listen to the commentary. When I watch pool videos I am paying attention to the commentary as much as the actual game play.
 
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