Super billiards expo vs. derby city classic

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barrymuch90

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In my opinion one major difference in the two great tournaments is the streaming. The derby had at least 3 seperate "streamers" including accustats n bigtruck n streamed 9 ball,10ball(10ft),1pocket,straight pool, and 9 ball banks. Not to mention there were at least 2 seperate people recording matches in high quality to put on YouTube later on. Plus the action room was streamed by bigtruck for sets of 5k plus. All in all I'd say the majority of matches worth viewing were either live streamed or recorded.

Then there's the expo. I have to start out saying the expo is my favorite tournament in pool. It's a 45 min drive and I usually attend from Wednesday til Saturday only leaving to sleep. I play at least the warmup n open every year I can and try n get in as much action as possible. My only issue with the expo is the streaming. For years they be brought in a quality provider to live stream the pro 10 ball. However there has never been a streamed set up to stream the open,pro am, or action area. I don't understand why the streaming industry hasn't jumped at the opurtunity here. I'm sure there's hoops to jump through but to me there's a stream for ever local handicapped event or tournament In the country but then the open amatuer n pro am go by the wayside. Also the one pocket is gaining popularity and should be streamed simoultaneously as the pro 10 ball. In a perfect world it would be exactly like the derby, let al stream the 10 ball but if he can't cover anything else let someone else takes the reins to stream the one pocket and if that's all they can handle let someone else stream the open n so on etc etc. hopefully someone already is jumping on this because in this day and age of technology there's no reason to not stream these prestigious events.

Anyways I'll still see u at the expo. Hopefully if ur not there you'll be watching me In the finals of the open:)
 
Know one high quality streamer who asked Allen about working the amateur event. Allen wanted more money upfront than the streamer could possibly make. No one works at a loss.

Lyn
 
If you would get a streamer in there, with advertisements and splitting the ppv with venue. Wouldn't that help everyone?

I admit I don't know what kind of numbers Bigtruck does, but to now have an action room stream or anything at this big event seems stupid. Would getting him to come out not make money for everyone? It's my favorite part of Derby City and I buy all days of the stream yearly. It's entertaining, and puts me onto new strong players.
 
Uniballpenman said:
If you would get a streamer in there, with advertisements and splitting the ppv with venue. Wouldn't that help everyone?

I admit I don't know what kind of numbers Bigtruck does, but to now have an action room stream or anything at this big event seems stupid. Would getting him to come out not make money for everyone? It's my favorite part of Derby City and I buy all days of the stream yearly. It's entertaining, and puts me onto new strong players.
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The DCC and SBE are, in my experience, very different events and attract different crowds.

The action guys and their backers go the DCC for action - that is what is designed to attract: action and tournament play.

The SBE is primarily a trade show and amateur tournament with add-on pro events. Plus, I don't know what the legal situation is in PA as opposed to Indiana regarding action matches, so if hypothetically there was some action at the SBE it might be a very bad idea to advertise it.
 
Regardless of what action or no action or whatever it seems insane to me that one of pools biggest events in the year 2017 won't have any streaming (possibly). Maybe someone is streaming this year, and I just haven't heard about it but in the past couple of years I think they've run sans stream.
 
GideonF said:
The DCC and SBE are, in my experience, very different events and attract different crowds.

The action guys and their backers go the DCC for action - that is what is designed to attract: action and tournament play.

The SBE is primarily a trade show and amateur tournament with add-on pro events. Plus, I don't know what the legal situation is in PA as opposed to Indiana regarding action matches, so if hypothetically there was some action at the SBE it might be a very bad idea to advertise it.
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The action occurs at night in the local poolrooms during the Expo.. You should stop in and view the action or just to play some. Classic Billiards in Phoenixville is the closest. Great room and owner and well maintained 9 foot GC's.
 
As fans, we want streaming. Cost us almost nothing and we get to watch the best matches.

However, if I were to own and run an established Major Event, I would never, ever allow streaming until all seats are Sold Out.

Streaming significantly hurts the attendance, which hurts the Gate Tickets Sales, hurt the players' exposures & hurt the vendors, hurt the F&B sales, Hotel Rooms sales, etc....
 
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Last year was Upstate Al doing the stream on the pro matches. I don't know of a year that has not had some type of stream since 2008
 
I think AL mentioned that he is doing great the men's 10ball & women's 9ball pro events this year via ppv.
 
philly said:
The action occurs at night in the local poolrooms during the Expo.. You should stop in and view the action or just to play some. Classic Billiards in Phoenixville is the closest. Great room and owner and well maintained 9 foot GC's.
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And it's BYOB:thumbup:

In PA it's Beer at one place and wine and liquor sold at another - kinda weird. AFAIK those stores stop selling at 9pm. Bars can sell to go later, guessing till close.
Jason
 
raise1 said:
As fans, we want streaming. Cost us almost nothing and we get to watch the best matches.



However, if I were to own and run an established Major Event, I would never, ever allow streaming until all seats are Sold Out.



Streaming significantly hurts the attendance, which hurts the Gate Tickets Sales, hurt the players' exposures & hurt the vendors, hurt the F&B sales, Hotel Rooms sales, etc....
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Agreed. I don't think pool fans know what they're really wishing for when they ask for streaming.


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according to their web site they are streaming the pro's. They have streamed it in past years. I remember a tv table in the past but it's been a few years. It was definitely the king of prussia days.
 
raise1 said:
As fans, we want streaming. Cost us almost nothing and we get to watch the best matches.

However, if I were to own and run an established Major Event, I would never, ever allow streaming until all seats are Sold Out.

Streaming significantly hurts the attendance, which hurts the Gate Tickets Sales, hurt the players' exposures & hurt the vendors, hurt the F&B sales, Hotel Rooms sales, etc....
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Not true at all. Folks that don't have the time and/or money are not going regardless. But for a sawbuck to watch it on one day, yeah, that's a possibility.

There was a Chicago go that thought just like you. Bill Wirtz, who owned the Chicago Blackhawks for decades.

He did not put the home games on TV because he thought he was losing money by giving it away, and just not fair to the season ticket holders. No joke, that was his mind set. TV deals would have brought in much needed cash, not to mention exposing folks to the game that might say, hey, lets go to a game some day and see in in person.

Attendance was down, team basically sucked. Then the old guy kicked it and his son took over. He immediately put the games on TV, interest grew, revenues grew, suddenly they were hiring guys that knew what they were doing, and bam, 3 championships in the last 6 years. Not bad, huh ?

I've yet to be to a game yet... mainly because they are sold out every game, and the scalpers want a small ranson.
 
raise1 said:
As fans, we want streaming. Cost us almost nothing and we get to watch the best matches.

However, if I were to own and run an established Major Event, I would never, ever allow streaming until all seats are Sold Out.

Streaming significantly hurts the attendance, which hurts the Gate Tickets Sales, hurt the players' exposures & hurt the vendors, hurt the F&B sales, Hotel Rooms sales, etc....
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All seats being sold out might as well happen as soon as all the entries to the open amateur are filled up. Last year there were over 940 entrants in the open, who are granted a 4 day pass the second they sign up to play the event, with tickets to the pro event included. So that's 1,000 plus people already walking in and out of the pro arena. Granted these numbers dwindle as the days progress and people go home. Same with pretty much any other pool event (those in action, or those with the most passion for the sport will stick around all days to watch the finals).

How bad would streaming hurt attendance? Not sure, if you're within driving distance of the Expo, it would be insane not to be there. Hell, people come from cross country to go! What about the thousands and thousands more that want to watch but can't go? IMO, the runner of the established major event stands to lose lots of money and free marketing by not streaming.

Hurt players exposures? In 2017, how many MORE viewers would you get watching these people play if it were as easy as getting on a streaming page? Free for the players who might be looking for some exposure. Looking for that sponsor. And if you're talking about keeping unknown players under the radar, well that's the price you pay for showing up to an event like that anyway.

Attendance is rock solid at the Expo. Parking lot is full of cars and RV's. Hotels are maxed out. I would go so far as to speculate people decide not to go just because too many people are there already. Streaming would only expand a flattened revenue, and I doubt it would do much if any damage at all any other way.
 
Tickets to the pro event our no longer included. They went back to paying to watch to get in the arena. They did also have part of the tournament at tables outside the arena the first day that was free but that turned into ladies and the one pocket tournament after that.

Whoever said steaming costs nothing on here is another rediculous cheap ass pool player. It does cost something. You have to hire someone who has the equipment and the knowledge to do a good stream. That costs money unless you can find someone to do it out of the goodness of there heart. Good luck with that.


DelawareDogs said:
All seats being sold out might as well happen as soon as all the entries to the open amateur are filled up. Last year there were over 940 entrants in the open, who are granted a 4 day pass the second they sign up to play the event, with tickets to the pro event included. So that's 1,000 plus people already walking in and out of the pro arena. Granted these numbers dwindle as the days progress and people go home. Same with pretty much any other pool event (those in action, or those with the most passion for the sport will stick around all days to watch the finals).

How bad would streaming hurt attendance? Not sure, if you're within driving distance of the Expo, it would be insane not to be there. Hell, people come from cross country to go! What about the thousands and thousands more that want to watch but can't go? IMO, the runner of the established major event stands to lose lots of money and free marketing by not streaming.

Hurt players exposures? In 2017, how many MORE viewers would you get watching these people play if it were as easy as getting on a streaming page? Free for the players who might be looking for some exposure. Looking for that sponsor. And if you're talking about keeping unknown players under the radar, well that's the price you pay for showing up to an event like that anyway.

Attendance is rock solid at the Expo. Parking lot is full of cars and RV's. Hotels are maxed out. I would go so far as to speculate people decide not to go just because too many people are there already. Streaming would only expand a flattened revenue, and I doubt it would do much if any damage at all any other way.
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