Super Slippy Tip Tool

[Mike in MN]

If you want to tap the tip, which a time-honored way to compress the tip and firm it up then you need some weight. The extra weight of the Slippy tool does this quite nicely

Hasn't recent evidence shown that tapping or jabbing at your tip (with a tapper or a pick) has the tendency to damage the fibers in the tip? I know I've read that somewhere, just can't remember where. In any case, just because something is "time-honored" doesn't mean it's the most effective way of doing it.

how about telling us from your machinist's point of view whether it's a quality piece or not?

Re-read his post. He does exactly that when he says things like, "I must admit the side trimmer/burnisher is a nice idea." or "The burnisher works ok, but the angle is just a little too steep." and, "The thing I find to be problematic is the trimmer. It is very sharp to begin with, so if the tool is not handled carefully it’s possible to cut yourself."

I do not represent any company that makes or distributes anything to do with billiards products, I'm just a consumer. And from a third person's stance, it looks like you're very much on the defensive about your product and it led you to say things that were borderline inappropriate and unwarranted.

 

[JB Cases]

Hasn't recent evidence shown that tapping or jabbing at your tip (with a tapper or a pick) has the tendency to damage the fibers in the tip? I know I've read that somewhere, just can't remember where. In any case, just because something is "time-honored" doesn't mean it's the most effective way of doing it. I think the

I haven't see the evidence to support that dimpling a tip harms it in any fashion. Dimpling a tip does not break the surface of the leather it creates indentations which then hold the chalk as small deposits.

Tapping the tip is the time tested way to compress it and has been around for more than a hundred years.

Re-read his post. He does exactly that when he says things like, "I must admit the side trimmer/burnisher is a nice idea." or "The burnisher works ok, but the angle is just a little too steep." and, "The thing I find to be problematic is the trimmer. It is very sharp to begin with, so if the tool is not handled carefully it’s possible to cut yourself."

I read his post several times. The trimmer burnisher IS a good idea and it works as advertised without a problem.

There is almost no chance for a person to "cut themselves" using this tool. Unless you stick your finger in it and run it along the sharp edge there is no chance to cut yourself. I have played with this tool in every which way and I am confident that a person would need to work at it to cut themselves with this tool. So this assessment by a competitor is wrong in my opinion.

I do not represent any company that makes or distributes anything to do with billiards products, I'm just a consumer. And from a third person's stance, it looks like you're very much on the defensive about your product and it led you to say things that were borderline inappropriate and unwarranted.

Of course I am defensive about my product. In the "review" it is said that my product is too heavy, dangerous, doesn't work, is of inferior quality and copies the reviewer's own product and is responsible for the decline of civilization because it's not made in America.

Perhaps you should read it again and see if you see it from my perspective.

Please point out exactly what I said that was inappropriate and unwarranted? If a person attacks my product then it should be fact based and not merely formed as a competitive advertisement for their own.

I have done plenty of such comparisons on here between the cases I make and the cases others make. I refuse to compare how our two products actually work until I know for a fact and can demonstrate how they work.

The fact is that the Super Slippy Tool works as advertised. Mooseman is the only person who posted that he used the Super Tool and he loved it.

The original poster was asking for reviews by people who have used it, not an infomercial from a competitor.

If that infomercial appears however then I am obligated to insert my defense against the points raised if I can.

To the original poster. Give me your address and I will send you a free one to try out. If you like it then pay for it. If you don't then put it back in the box and drop it off at the nearest FedEx Kinkos using the return label I put in the box.

How about that? Zero risk and you can try it out on me. I am very confident that you will keep it.

 

[rackem]

Try this: http://www.seyberts.com/products/Gold_Multi_Tip_Tool-100062-24.html, you'll save some money if you haven't already bought it.

I have not tried one of the Gold Bricks, but I have been told the finish does not hold up to the heat created when you burnish.
Maybe they fixed it. But just passing on what I heard.

 

[JimS]

It's considered bad taste to promote your product in a thread started about another product.

JB wouldn't do that. :groucho:

 

[JB Cases]

It's considered bad taste to promote your product in a thread started about another product.

JB wouldn't do that. :groucho:

Oh no, JB would never do such a thing.

Actually Jim in a general thread it's natural for people to recommend alternatives. I don't mind that one bit. I also don't mind when someone wants to criticize one of our products if they have experience with it.

However I do mind if they don't get the facts right.

 

[CueShark1]

My intention was not to just advertise my product, or to try to personally attack anyone, or bash any other product. My apologies if that is the way my last post came across. I certainly wasn't trying to start WWIII on AZ Billiards . I did say upfront who I was, and that I might be bias. I honestly was just trying to state the differences between products and respond to the original poster. I did have positive things to say about the Slippy Tool as well. I do think there is some infringement of design although I probably shouldn’t have bothered mentioning it in this thread. If I broke any kind of AZ forum protocol, again… I apologize. Other than that, I don’t think I have anything to apologize for. I was being factual and stand by my review and product comparisons.

In the end, it doesn’t really matter what I think, or any other vendor. It only matters what the consumers think of the products (and possibly the patent attorneys).

Best of luck.

 

[skip]

I got the (cue shark-pup),works great an should last 50 years. Hope this helps. Skip

 

[JB Cases]

My intention was not to just advertise my product, or to try to personally attack anyone, or bash any other product. My apologies if that is the way my last post came across. I certainly wasn't trying to start WWIII on AZ Billiards . I did say upfront who I was, and that I might be bias. I honestly was just trying to state the differences between products and respond to the original poster. I did have positive things to say about the Slippy Tool as well. I do think there is some infringement of design although I probably shouldn’t have bothered mentioning it in this thread. If I broke any kind of AZ forum protocol, again… I apologize. Other than that, I don’t think I have anything to apologize for. I was being factual and stand by my review and product comparisons.

In the end, it doesn’t really matter what I think, or any other vendor. It only matters what the consumers think of the products (and possibly the patent attorneys).

Best of luck.

Would you care to explain how a product which has been on the market longer than you have been in the business of making tip tools infringes on any design you have?

I am quite certain that nothing we manufacture infringes in any way on any intellectual property you hold. If you have a patent that covers a design feature which was in existence long before you filed the patent then your attorney surely advised you that once proven your patent will be invalidated.

The MasterCue Super Tool was the first to market with the curved tip dimpler. As far as I know it was on the market long before your tool hit the market.

Your intention was clear to advertise your product in a thread where the original poster did not ask about your product.

How would you feel if the tables were turned and someone asked about your product and I, your competitor, chimed in with my admittedly "biased" review of your product while touting the virtues of my own?

I think you can understand that such acts have no end and could quickly end up as a bloodbath among manufacturers. Now I have no problem with any manufacturer who wants to put their claims out there, not those who claim to be "better than" others. If you can prove it then put it out there. But if you can't then in my opinion you're better off to leave it alone.

In any case this is a lot of words about some tip tools.

Plenty of great gadgets on the market that work well. Best of luck on your sales. This is a tough industry with no shortage of people making neato gadgets and a relatively small market to sell to.

Best of luck with your sales.

 

[CueShark1]

Would you care to explain how a product which has been on the market longer than you have been in the business of making tip tools infringes on any design you have?

I am quite certain that nothing we manufacture infringes in any way on any intellectual property you hold. If you have a patent that covers a design feature which was in existence long before you filed the patent then your attorney surely advised you that once proven your patent will be invalidated.

The MasterCue Super Tool was the first to market with the curved tip dimpler. As far as I know it was on the market long before your tool hit the market.

JB, at this point I think it is in the best interest of both parties to stop. I see no good coming out of this. If you want me to respond to this I will. Keep in mind if you do, you are now inviting me to talk about the Slippy Tool and should have no objections to what I might say. I already appologized once for posting on this thread, I won't appologize again. Lets just agree to disagree on some things.

I wish you well with the sales of the Slippy Tool and invite anyone who has had a pleasurable experience with the Slippy Tool or the SuperTool to please post.

Best of luck to you,

 

[JB Cases]

JB, at this point I think it is in the best interest of both parties to stop. I see no good coming out of this. If you want me to respond to this I will. Keep in mind if you do, you are now inviting me to talk about the Slippy Tool and should have no objections to what I might say. I already appologized once for posting on this thread, I won't appologize again. Lets just agree to disagree on some things.

I wish you well with the sales of the Slippy Tool and invite anyone who has had a pleasurable experience with the Slippy Tool or the SuperTool to please post.

Best of luck to you,

Like I said if you have something factual to say then say it. If what you say is objectionable then I will object.

My intention is not to censor you. You obviously have more to say so say it.

At the end of the day any dispute between us regarding your claims of infringement will be resolved one way or the other and we will continue to do business. As I said I am positive that our tool does not infringe on your design in any way but there are smarter people in our organization who know a lot more about patents than I do who will address that.

I was not asking you to apologize. Your apology was not needed. You said what you wanted to say in the way you wanted to and if you have more to say then feel free to do so.

I will debate points of fact. If you have any then post them.

 

[Underclocked]

My next tip tool will likely be one from CueShark.

 

[poolchica]

Good luck on your products.

 

[shadowcat]

I have often had to yell at my staff for firing off emails when they are emotionally upset. When they do this, no one wants to deal with them. I often dont post, just read these threads as a guest. Since I'm amazed that this is an adult thread I had to respond. I have read both sides and honestly JB cases you are antagonizing. I think Cue Shark is simply being professional, stating facts and even being a sypmathetic adult and you keep pushing to start a war. Why? You really need to just calm down because honestly you are making yourself and your product look bad.

aaand this is one of the reasons why i just bought a cue shark tool...

 

[JB Cases]

I have often had to yell at my staff for firing off emails when they are emotionally upset. When they do this, no one wants to deal with them. I often dont post, just read these threads as a guest. Since I'm amazed that this is an adult thread I had to respond. I have read both sides and honestly JB cases you are antagonizing. I think Cue Shark is simply being professional, stating facts and even being a sypmathetic adult and you keep pushing to start a war. Why? You really need to just calm down because honestly you are making yourself and your product look bad.

Ok. Point taken. My product works as advertised. CueShark made his points and I see what I am up against here.

When I receive my CueShark and Pup I will give his product the same consideration when I review it. Naturally I will be "biased" as well but I promise to do an in-depth review of each feature to evaluate it against the claims that are made.

And when the discussion of his product comes up in another thread then I am sure he won't mind if I post my admittedly biased review of his product.

I am not sure how I am making my product look bad. The product is a tip tool. The original poster asked about my product he did not ask about a Cue Shark or Pup or the Ultimate Tip Tool, nor any other product.

ONE poster here reported that he loved his version of this product, the MasterCue Super Tool from which the Slippy Super Tool is derived.

The only other person who said anything about our tool just happens to be a competitor who makes claims (untrue ones) that our tool copies his.

Well, I guess if that makes me look bad to defend our product against this sort of behavior then I guess I will have to live with it. The tool we sell works well and is a good investment. I could have wrote my own infomercial when the original poster posed his question, complete with video and I may very well do that tomorrow.

Thank you for your concern. I am not at all uptight about this. When a person slanders my product and my company then I will defend both. I don't see it as professional at all to make the type of remarks that CueShark did, which were unwarranted, untrue, heavily slanted, and fear mongering.

 

[JB Cases]

aaand this is one of the reasons why i just bought a cue shark tool...

Great. I am going to buy one too. Both $80 setup and the $25 one. I have to see it for myself now that I have spent half the day writing about it.

I will put it through the paces and see for myself how it does. We can compare notes later.

 

[JB Cases]

Please advise, if you have tried it. I"m thinking about buying one, but I also don't want to throw my $25 away either.

So, what is the take on this thing?

PM me your address and I will send you one tomorrow at my cost. If you like it pay for it. If not then I will pay the shipping back to me.

You're in Japan - I am in China - you should have it in two days.

Then you can see for yourself whether it's any good or not.

 

[Exsanguinating]

IMHO, If the product is so great and you believe in it... then it should not have to be defended, it should sell itself.

Honestly, after reading all of the above, I don't see myself ever buying one.

 

[JB Cases]

IMHO, If the product is so great and you believe in it... then it should not have to be defended, it should sell itself.

Honestly, after reading all of the above, I don't see myself ever buying one.

Really?

So that's all it takes is belief right? That's how the world works? Just make a product that is great and believe in it and the world will beat a path to your door right?

Maybe that worked in some bygone era but it doesn't work now.

Now you have to not only build a great product and believe in it but you have to work triple hard to get it in the consumer's hands so that they see how great it is.

So when a thread like this comes up and a competitor trashes the product then I damn sure better be there to address those claims.

Otherwise my product not only doesn't get on the shelves because it has been unfairly characterized by the competition.

We could turn your statement around and apply it to any other product.

How does this sound to you?

This is your statement from above with one word changed.

'IMHO, If the product is so great and you believe in it... then it should not have to be promoted, it should sell itself.'

Do you also agree with this statement? If so then you hopefully agree that a person should not NEED to come in and bash one product while promoting their own.

I don't agree with either statement. I think that whoever makes a product has the duty to promote it and defend it as the situation calls for.

The WHOLE point of this thread was for the asking consumer to FIND OUT other user's opinions of the product. Not to get a competitor's point of view, nor to be told that otehr products are "better" by people who haven't even used the product in question.

So by following your logic the best course would have been for everyone who did not have direct experience (and who is not a competitor) to leave the thread alone. Then the product that the original poster was asking about could have been discussed by people who have experience with it and who have no agenda.

THEN if only one person out of all of AZ pipes up and tells us that they had it and they liked it and no one else has anything to say then the original poster can make a decision based on that.

Imagine for a moment if I ask about Predator shafts and which one is best and OB and Tiger step in to offer their "reviews" coupled with a pitch for their shafts.

Or people step in and say, 'well I never owned a Predator but OB Shafts are the nuts'......

In pool terms, it's a knock. That's about the best way to say it.

If I have action then you stay out of my action, do't come up and get in between my action, don't knock my game. That's how it goes.

If you are trying to sell a cue then you don't want me coming in the middle of your sale and offering the customer anything else, be it a lower price, and alternative cue, or whatever. I am sure that if I did that to you then you'd be highly pissed.

Of course you could always just shrug it off and say to yourself that if your cue you were trying to sell was so great then it would have sold itself.

 

[JB Cases]

IMHO, If the product is so great and you believe in it... then it should not have to be defended, it should sell itself.

Honestly, after reading all of the above, I don't see myself ever buying one.

Great. That's the power of the net. You can choose to spend your money where you want to. Don't like my attitude then don't buy from me.

My job is to make great products that work. Whatever issues you have surrounding your buying decisions are well outside my scope.

You can't bully me though by telling me that you are going to punish me for speaking my mind on the subject by not buying my products.

For every one of you who tries this there is another person who reads it the other way and buys one because they believe in fair play.

So it's a wash and I get to be myself instead of being quiet and sitting in the corner hoping you don't take offense to my tone.

There are plenty of other good products on the market sold by people who have surely not offended you with their opinions. Joe Porper makes a great line, Cue Shark seems to be a good product, APT is back in business (stay away from the horrible copies though) - Willards is always there, don't forget Cue Cube... etc....

Give them your money. Tell them never to utter an opinion that you disagree with however or they will lose you forever.

My product is good - it sold well before in it's initial life as the MasterCue Super Tool. At least it sold well for us. Whoever made it first did a damn good job on it. I took it and modified it a little and I think it's better now. If you are looking for a multi-tool to dress your tip then this is a great one. If you want to peg your purchasing to people you like or don't like (or just don't know) then that's your business. But I can tell you that this is a good tool and if you don't buy it then it's your loss not mine. Because I can assure you that someone behind you in line wants one and will be happy with it.

 

[Exsanguinating]

wow.

[/QUOTE] My product is good - it sold well before in it's initial life as the MasterCue Super Tool. At least it sold well for us. Whoever made it first did a damn good job on it. I took it and modified it a little and I think it's better now. If you are looking for a multi-tool to dress your tip then this is a great one.[/QUOTE]

This (the above) statement would have been sufficient at the beginning of the thread.
One of the great reasons we have AZB, is so that we can all put our 2 cents in when people post a question. It's just a little overwhelming that your 2 cents turned into more like 4 quarters.

Best of luck on your product