Surprised They Got Out of Town ALIVE!!

Opie said:
You have to kinda expect this to happen when a couple guys go to a tournament together. They're gonna do whatever they can to get the most money. It happens all the time. I don't really think you should whine about it. Tell the guy who bid 350 on the Canadian to enter the tournament, buy himself in the calcutta, and place in the top 4 spots so that way he actually earns his money instead of just sitting there drinking a beer and getting paid off of someone else's hard work. Railbirds are good for action but they can be some f'n nits sometimes. JMHO.
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I agree 100% opie.

In a tournament of 32 players with $350 on one guy for the calcutta, I'm sure the payouts we stacked.

The railbird should be happy, as I'm sure the difference in payout had his guy took first wasn't too much.

Just a guess, but the calcutta was prolly 1800 first and 1500 second place or something along those lines.
 
nyjoe14.1 said:
Really in this spot i think you should be the voice of reason and beg them to let these people back in. that way you might be able to get some money out of them or put them in a trap or something. it just doesn't seem right to me to let them run and not try to beat them out of anything.
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They won the tournament. How about shaking their hand and congradulating them. A trap!That last sentence is the voice of reason! How about someone inviting them to play a little if you want some money from them?

I am surprised at the lack of respect some of the posters on this thread have for other players. Many people, not just road hustlers, travel to play in tournaments in other areas. Its good experience to play in unfamiliar surroundings. This isn't the first time I have seen regular players "hometowned" and that is exactly what this thread is about, under the guise of someone "stealing" money. Thats BS, and its not good for the game.
 
Deadon said:
They won the tournament. How about shaking their hand and congradulating them. A trap!That last sentence is the voice of reason! How about someone inviting them to play a little if you want some money from them?

I am surprised at the lack of respect some of the posters on this thread have for other players. Many people, not just road hustlers, travel to play in tournaments in other areas. Its good experience to play in unfamiliar surroundings. This isn't the first time I have seen regular players "hometowned" and that is exactly what this thread is about, under the guise of someone "stealing" money. Thats BS, and its not good for the game.
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I couldn't agree more, they didn't cheat any other players, they were the last two standing, if they want to split that's thier choice.
 
wouldn't it be funny if the Canadian guys were reading this post just laughing there asses off at the big deal that was made out of a small town tournament?!!!
 
kzoojam2006 said:
wouldn't it be funny if the Canadian guys were reading this post just laughing there asses off at the big deal that was made out of a small town tournament?!!!
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Where was the tourney? Schotze's? Who were the Canadians...Vidas/Pickering/other? They might be in a small town but the tourneys at Schotze's get lots of money added and lots of action. When you get the players from Canada (Simon Pickering, Mike Vidas, John Horsfal, Paul Potier, Stan Tourangeau,etc) coming down and the Seattle/Northwest players going up (Mike Zimmerman, J.D., Dan Louie, Todd Marsh, Glenn Atwell, Raul...and Queen Linda Carter, etc) it tends to be a super strong tourney.

Saw a tourney about 5 years ago at Dr. Cues in Seattle with Vidas playing Potier. With rack your own and Vidas setting up the balls in the same order everytime he popped off a 6-pack and then a three pack after a safety to win 9-0. Not sure how they let him get away with putting the balls in the same order everytime but it happened.
 
For the record...the guy that bought the 350.00 calcutta was also in the tournament. I do not know all the particulars....but he got NO MONEY. No one had a problem with them winning the tournament, the problem is that the final set was not completed and/or played, for whatever reason.

As to 'hometown' tournaments.......we are in a rural area of the US......so 'hometown' covers a whole lot of mileage around here....including the Canadians...who come down to play quit often. I have no issue with the Canadians...so quit making it about this. I was told they were a couple of guys from Canada....I didn't know them.

BTW,,,you had to be entered into the tournament to be eligible to buy into the Calcutta.

Lisa
 
UWPoolGod1 said:
Where was the tourney? Schotze's? Who were the Canadians...Vidas/Pickering/other? They might be in a small town but the tourneys at Schotze's get lots of money added and lots of action. When you get the players from Canada (Simon Pickering, Mike Vidas, John Horsfal, Paul Potier, Stan Tourangeau,etc) coming down and the Seattle/Northwest players going up (Mike Zimmerman, J.D., Dan Louie, Todd Marsh, Glenn Atwell, Raul...and Queen Linda Carter, etc) it tends to be a super strong tourney.

Saw a tourney about 5 years ago at Dr. Cues in Seattle with Vidas playing Potier. With rack your own and Vidas setting up the balls in the same order everytime he popped off a 6-pack and then a three pack after a safety to win 9-0. Not sure how they let him get away with putting the balls in the same order everytime but it happened.
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It was run between Cues-N-Brews and the Overflow in Sedro Woolley. Because we are so far from Seattle, and there are no big tournaments in this part of the state, the guys that own both bars are just tryin' to get something goin' up here...and we can draw in players from Bellingham, as well as Canada.

Lisa
 
ridewiththewind said:
For the record...the guy that bought the 350.00 calcutta was also in the tournament. I do not know all the particulars....but he got NO MONEY. No one had a problem with them winning the tournament, the problem is that the final set was not completed and/or played, for whatever reason.

As to 'hometown' tournaments.......we are in a rural area of the US......so 'hometown' covers a whole lot of mileage around here....including the Canadians...who come down to play quit often. I have no issue with the Canadians...so quit making it about this. I was told they were a couple of guys from Canada....I didn't know them.

BTW,,,you had to be entered into the tournament to be eligible to buy into the Calcutta.

Lisa
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This is what I was alluding to before Lisa. The situation you describe above is quite different than what your first post implied. I am not laying any fault on you because you were very upfront about not knowing the particulars.

If no one got any money from the calcutta, then there was theft involved, which would explain the locals' sour attitude (and justify it). I haven't a clue how the road players somehow got their hands on all the calcutta money before the tournament ended; I haven't a clue how any calcutta money would have been paid directly to them in the first place (and not the purchasers); and lastly I haven't a clue how, given the above two scenarios, they made it out the door.

Put bluntly, and I'm certainly not trying to make any enemies, it sounds like someone in your poolroom really snoozed on this. The road players should never have had an opportunity to touch 100% of the calcutta money.

- Steve
 
There is one(notorious) Canadian guy in the Vancouver Canada area who is a very strong shortstop and rated A+ to Pro level locally.Here's what he (apparently) did a few years ago:

-Went down to a handicap tourney in the USA and entered(sandbagged) in as a B-B+ player.
- Took his unmerrited spots and proceeded to kick everyone's a$$.
-Bought himself for a measley $10 in the Calcutta and won that as well.
-Got out of town with a pile of cash, some dirty looks, however, not one unruffled feather.

He's about 5'10" with black hair combed to the side and European. Sorry I won't be mentioning his name on this forum,as I heard this (very believable) rumor 2nd hand, although be it from a very relaible source.

RJ

ps.This kind of behaviour is not condoned by the vast majority of Canadian players.
 
Usually there is at least a first and second prize in a Calcutta.Why didn't the tournament director totall the amount of the first and second prizes and then split that prize money down the middle and payout the 1st and 2nd place Calcutta winners with equal shares of prize money? Seems like a logical, simple solution to me.

As for the two Canadians not playing out the set and splitting:

I see this stuff happen every now and then at local Sunday tourneys, so it's not that uncommon. Two friends meet in the final and split the cash and drink some beer together.Most likely it was the pre-determined plan of these two road buddies even before the tourney got started. It's not at all uncommon for road buddies to agree to split pool winnings.

It's too bad that in this case that there was a Calcutta,however, in reality they really didn't do anything wrong. They have a right to split the cash and split the scene.JMO
RJ
 
I have been told that one of the guys is actually from the US....but the other is definitely from Canada......not that this really matters. As I have already stated, I am not sure what happened, and why the guy that 'owned' the calcutta didn't receive his share of his calcutta winnings.....I am going to try and get further clarification in a few days.....by then, emotions should have calmed, and I will be able to get more accurate info, I think.

And hey.....gimme a break some of you......I didn't post their names or anything...just trying to get a better understanding of how a calcutta is supposed to work, and what could have or should have been done to prevent this from happening. Sheesh.

Lisa
 
Lisa, the funny part is that the Canadian has come down to run Calcuttas at Shotze's and City Lights, so he should know better. :rolleyes:
 
rackmsuckr said:
Lisa, the funny part is that the Canadian has come down to run Calcuttas at Shotze's and City Lights, so he should know better. :rolleyes:
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The Queen has spoken...let it be written :D
 
Seriously, what the he** are some of you talking about? It sounds like player A bought player B for 350 bones....

They ended up in the finals together.

Player A dumped to player B so he could get the 1st place take down for the calcutta.

They chopped 1/2nd in the tourney, Player A gets 1st in the calcutta, and whoever bought player A gets 2nd in the calcutta (instead of a possible 1st).

THis is not cheating, the is COMMON everyday stuff with Calcutta's......for those of you who think its unethical, lol, give me a break. Its gambling, and player A threw a natural.

You shouldnt advertise your business, but it is NOT CHEATING. No way.
 
jcrack_corn said:
Seriously, what the he** are some of you talking about? It sounds like player A bought player B for 350 bones....

They ended up in the finals together.

Player A dumped to player B so he could get the 1st place take down for the calcutta.

They chopped 1/2nd in the tourney, Player A gets 1st in the calcutta, and whoever bought player A gets 2nd in the calcutta (instead of a possible 1st).

THis is not cheating, the is COMMON everyday stuff with Calcutta's......for those of you who think its unethical, lol, give me a break. Its gambling, and player A threw a natural.

You shouldnt advertise your business, but it is NOT CHEATING. No way.
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Yeah, that's why back in the day, all those professional athletes who were throwing games because of bets they or others had on the game DIDN'T get smacked down by the law. :P

It may not be "cheating" in some vague technical manner - but it's sure unethical, when you're dealing with OTHER people's calcutta buys.
 
jcrack_corn said:
Seriously, what the he** are some of you talking about? It sounds like player A bought player B for 350 bones....

They ended up in the finals together.

Player A dumped to player B so he could get the 1st place take down for the calcutta.

They chopped 1/2nd in the tourney, Player A gets 1st in the calcutta, and whoever bought player A gets 2nd in the calcutta (instead of a possible 1st).

THis is not cheating, the is COMMON everyday stuff with Calcutta's......for those of you who think its unethical, lol, give me a break. Its gambling, and player A threw a natural.

You shouldnt advertise your business, but it is NOT CHEATING. No way.
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The player who bought the 350.00 calcutta did not wind up in the finals....he was out earlier in the day.

Lisa
 
Snapshot9 said:
It should not be done, especially with a Calcutta involved. If the tournament director was me and I was aware of it, I would have combined the 1st and 2nd place calcutta money and split it equally too.
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Scott is correct, this is absolutely what should be done. Unfortunately it never is. Often when the players hear that the TD is going to split it up like this they protest and say something like, "well we'll just play the match then." If you are the TD in this situation, DO NOT ALLOW these angle shots! They said they were going to quit so the tournament is over and there is a tie for first place! Do not put up with the inevitable whining!
 
My understanding is that, at least when this TD is running things, there will be no more Calcuttas...that was it. I think he was trying to offer something new, for this area.

As to the TD.....I know this guy personally, he has been president of our 9 ball league, and runs a lot of the shoots in the area. He is completely stand-up. A nice guy and a helluva shot. It all seemed to be going quite smoothly until the end, when it somehow got away from him....I really do not know what happened in detail, but I will be finding out. He was pretty swamped with players asking him what happened when I saw him Monday night.

If this is the sort of thing that can happen when there is a Calcutta involved, it's a pretty safe bet I will never participate in one.

Lisa
 
Steve Lipsky said:
This is what I was alluding to before Lisa. The situation you describe above is quite different than what your first post implied. I am not laying any fault on you because you were very upfront about not knowing the particulars.

If no one got any money from the calcutta, then there was theft involved, which would explain the locals' sour attitude (and justify it). I haven't a clue how the road players somehow got their hands on all the calcutta money before the tournament ended; I haven't a clue how any calcutta money would have been paid directly to them in the first place (and not the purchasers); and lastly I haven't a clue how, given the above two scenarios, they made it out the door.

Put bluntly, and I'm certainly not trying to make any enemies, it sounds like someone in your poolroom really snoozed on this. The road players should never have had an opportunity to touch 100% of the calcutta money.

- Steve
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EXACTLY! IMHO none of this seems to make much sence. You have to be in the tourny to participate in the calcutta??? WTF! The calcutta only pays 1st - 4th in a 32 man field??? WTF! The tournament director says no more calcuttas because of the raw dealings BUT YET he or one of the employees handed the players ALL of the cash??? WTF! Either the initial poster here is still lost on what really happened or this was an inside job. One or the other plane and simple.
 
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