I’m in the same boat....mixed feelings.
This contest is a vendetta.....but it’s great for the game.
SVB to Kick Off High Run Attempts
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This contest is a vendetta.....but it’s great for the game.
A vendetta -- a blood feud?!
wow, that's a little strong. So look, again, our event is not about JS. It is no more about him and his run than one 9ball tournament being about the other. Regardless, if you or anyone else chooses to draw that line I say: so what. JS does not hold the patent on 14.1 high run attempts. What he did was over two years ago. Would it be better for all the conspiratorial minded souls out there if we waited another year? Five? 10 maybe? Of course not. You'd all still be here making baseless accusations, wailing at the moon, and rending your garments.
In my book competition of any sort, whether it be between players, or events, or promoters is good for the fans and good for the sport. Gets the blood pumping and all that. So we'll just press on.
Lou Figueroa
Thanks Nick, this really resonated with me.I never understood running balls for free. It is work. I knew 2 players that ran over 300 balls and just stopped shooting. They both answered me the same funny enough when I asked them why they stopped. Then I ran 13 racks of 9 ball years ago and just stopped. I thought and they answered the same. Why?
Nick
The big thing about John Schmidt's record of 626 was that it took 70 years for someone to get motivated to put in the time and effort to beat Mosconi's 526.
Schmidt's 626 raised the profile of the game again, and now other people are chasing that record because there's some money in it. Is it really likely to raise the profile of the game much? Or will most people just go "That's amazing!" and then go back to watching TV, as they did with Willie's 526 for 70 years.
SVB made 84 attempts at a high run, and during those runs we saw:
running the 1st rack = 91% success
running 3 racks = 57%
running 5 racks = 39%
running 10 racks = 14%
running 15 racks = 4.8%
running 20 racks = 2.4%
running 22 racks = 1.2%
Using some of the questionable numbers bandied about with regards to John Schmidt,
running 25 racks = 0.82%
running 30 racks = 0.18%
running 44 racks = 0.09%
These are top professionals, and it's probably safe to say that anybody who can run out a rack of 14.1 more than 90% of the time is well on their way to increase that rate even more and beat any record if they put in enough time..
But down at the pool hall, even that local expert, Xavier "Radar" Xcrement, isn't going to be trying to chase any record when his success rate at running 5 racks is 1%.
These high runs are interesting but not really compelling for more than a few minutes at a time, and the number of viewers on the live stream show that. Compare the live stream viewers for 9-ball.
It needs to be fun or lucrative for people to do this stuff. This month it's lucrative for a few top professionals who haven't annoyed the organizer, but it's only fun for a very small number of people, and usually those who are already pretty good at it.
For comparison,
MOST Basketball FREE THROWS IN 1 HOUR
-The number of balls and helpers is not limited.
Scored Name
1,206 Ed Palubinskas (USA) 2004
1,415 Jeff Liles (USA) VIDEO 2007
1,663 Fred L. Newman (USA) 2008
1,926 Perry Dissmore (USA) 2009
1,968 Perry Dissmore (USA) 2010
2,371 Bob J. Fisher (USA) 2011
2,395 Perry Dissmore (USA) 2018
I imagine Mrs Dissmore and all the little Dissmore's just roll their eyes when Perry starts talking about chasing a new record.
Some groups are good at making pool lucrative enough to attract top talent. Some halls and leagues seem to be good at helping people have fun playing pool. It's only the people who have fun that are going to learn to play better.
At the very LEAST, John Schmidt should have been INVITED to be interviewed so HE could shed some light on what it takes mentality AND emotionally to get on the table and face what these competitors are facing at this event. HIS insight in an interview would have brought you guys a ton of credibility, and NO ONE would have said one negative word about whats taking place today, and JS wouldn't even have had to shoot a single ball, but at the end of your event, respect could have been given to JS if everyone who attends fails to surpass HIS record of 626....by then ASKING him if he'd like to take a shot at breaking his OWN record in front of the viewing public, and GOD as a witness!!! THAT'S REAL PUBLIC RELATIONS!!!!!
Anyone old enough to dress themselves would agree that break ball #1 will interfere with any known rack more than a single molecule thick.
Arnaldo ~ No one really knows what the PITA phrase: "just saying" means, but I'm "just saying".
I see.
So just curious: what is your educational and working background when it comes to “real public relations”?
How has that background worked for you when it comes to your own business?
Lou Figueroa
why though? this is just an invitational event to achieve high runs. no world record is likely to be broken anyway, although i would love to see that. just enjoy the ride, take the JS squabble in the dozen other threads. i'm looking forward to see ruslan let his stroke out. i've seen him play plenty, he is def one of the best pattern players of the contemporary crop, but i've never seen him free wheelin'
Thank you!
As to RC, I had the chance to watch a couple of his matches at the American 14.1 and I personally don’t think we’re going to see any free wheeling from him. He is very focused and disciplined in his approach to 14.1. JF tends to get a little jiggy wit it but I don’t think we’ll see that from Ruslan.
Lou Figueroa
with apologies to
Will Smith
To put things in prospective >>> Why does it seem these people go on about John Schmidt running over 600.
Greenleaf ran over 1200?
On pure shit equipment compared to todays.
Greenleaf ran over 1200?
On pure shit equipment compared to todays.
Errrr ... please enlighten us on that.
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Been working on pool tables for over 39 years now, never been out of work the whole time, so what does that say?
Carry on sir:
Just past noon! Lets go gents grab your lady and let it go!
lol, total ear worm.
Lou Figueroa
I've never seen a report of a 1200 ball run by Greenleaf. It was his 126-and-out run against the Snail (in tournament play) that was most talked about. Some rumors (below) said he ran 269/273 in exhibition, but there were no contemporaneous reports of those runs. For the most part only runs in competitive play were widely reported in those days. Greenleaf (and Mosconi for that matter) didn't have the luxury of spending all day trying to run balls. They were on the road every day doing exhibitions. It seemed to be a rare occurrence for either to hang around beyond their allotted exhibition time trying to set a high-run record. We live in amazing times that, for free, I can click a button and watch the world's greatest shoot pool in every possible discipline.
the basket ball shots was incredible in one hour.
even with helpers. but were they allowed to lower the pressure in a standard basketball? or lower the hoop height? or widen it?
or make the backboard dead so balls would more easily bounce in? what was the standard?
even with helpers. but were they allowed to lower the pressure in a standard basketball? or lower the hoop height? or widen it?
or make the backboard dead so balls would more easily bounce in? what was the standard?
He ran the balls but not in match play. That counts for shit. Except he did it twice!
To the best of my knowledge, what Greenleaf, and other champions of the era did, was to sometimes play block matches -- with stops in like six city -- to 1200 points.
Lou Figueroa
Where are you getting this information?