SVB v. Yapp: Why was this jump shot legal?

[7stud]

The announcers commented that SVB was one of the best jumpers with a full length cue while he lined up this shot:

Apparently, SVB needed to jump over the edge of the 9-ball in order to hit the green ball. The WPA jump shot rule says:

8.16 Jump Shot
A jump shot is one in which the cue ball is made to go over an intervening obstacle such as an
object ball or part of the cushion. Whether such a shot is legal depends on how it is
accomplished and the intention of the shooter. Usually a legal jump shot is played by [1]
elevating the cue stick and [2] driving the cue ball down into the playing surface from which it
rebounds.

Did SVB's shot qualify as a legal jump shot? Clearly he was aiming at the bottom of the cue ball, and as a consequence his cue stick was "elevated". Was he also "driving the cue ball down into the playing surface" or was he scooping under the ball?

 

[garczar]

The announcers commented that SVB was one of the best jumpers with a full length cue while he lined up this shot:

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Apparently, SVB needed to jump over the edge of the 9-ball in order to hit the green ball. The WPA jump shot rule says:



Did SVB's shot qualify as a legal jump shot? Clearly he was aiming at the bottom of the cue ball. Was he "driving the cue ball down into the playing surface" or was he scooping under the ball?

How he lines up and where he actually strikes it are two different things. He did not 'scoop jump' it.

 

[WTD14]

100% legal. He didn't scoop it. It's a quarter ball jump, if not less, so he didn't need to elevate his cue that much to clear the 9 ball.

 

[7stud]

Practically, does the jump rule boil down to: if you don't miscue, it's a legal jump shot?

 

[garczar]

Practically, does the jump rule boil down to: if you don't miscue, it's a legal jump shot?

I think anyone with half a brain knows that scoop jump is illegal. Only place i've ever seen it is when done by drunk jerkoffs in bars.

 

[Bob Jewett]

The announcers commented that SVB was one of the best jumpers with a full length cue while he lined up this shot:

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Apparently, SVB needed to jump over the edge of the 9-ball in order to hit the green ball. The WPA jump shot rule says:



Did SVB's shot qualify as a legal jump shot? Clearly he was aiming at the bottom of the cue ball, and as a consequence his cue stick was "elevated". Was he also "driving the cue ball down into the playing surface" or was he scooping under the ball?

He shot the jump shot exactly as the definition describes. He did not scoop under the ball. All three people at the table were satisfied that the shot was legal.

The shot is at 6:55:44 in the recording on WNT if anyone wants to see the shot.

 

[Mensabum]

The announcers commented that SVB was one of the best jumpers with a full length cue while he lined up this shot:

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Apparently, SVB needed to jump over the edge of the 9-ball in order to hit the green ball. The WPA jump shot rule says:



Did SVB's shot qualify as a legal jump shot? Clearly he was aiming at the bottom of the cue ball, and as a consequence his cue stick was "elevated". Was he also "driving the cue ball down into the playing surface" or was he scooping under the ball?

Many players feather on the low side of the CB B4 pulling the trigger. That's not where they strike the CB final stroke.

 

[skogstokig]

Practically, does the jump rule boil down to: if you don't miscue, it's a legal jump shot?

but you can miscue on an otherwise legal jump shot attempt, we've all done that

 

[trob]

but you can miscue on an otherwise legal jump shot attempt, we've all done that

If the ferrel touches the ball on a miscue it’s a foul is my understanding

 

[skogstokig]

If the ferrel touches the ball on a miscue it’s a foul is my understanding

it is technically a foul, but often not called because in the spirit of the game it's "just a miscue". i think the new WPA rules addresses this, but can be wrong there

 

[Patrick Johnson]

If the ferrel touches the ball on a miscue it’s a foul is my understanding

I think that's right, but often too hard to see.

pj
chgo

 

[7stud]

He shot the jump shot exactly as the definition describes.

My reading of the WPA jump shot definition does not preclude a scoop shot: with a scoop shot 1) the cue is elevated, and 2) with an elevated cue there is always a component of force in the downward/vertical direction, so you are in fact "driving the cue ball down into the playing surface" to some degree.

 

[Bob Jewett]

In the WPA rules, intentional miscues are unsportsmanlike conduct. I think that most shots that people would call scoop shots are actually miscues.

 

[T411]

If the cue tip lifts the cue ball… that is a foul. That is not what SVB did. The cue ball bounced off the playing surface and was not lifted.

 

[straightline]

Thuddy hit and result.

 

[boogieman]

I think anyone with half a brain knows that scoop jump is illegal. Only place i've ever seen it is when done by drunk jerkoffs in bars.

That or kids that don't know any better. I'm really surprised my friends/cousins and I never did rip the cloth doing this when younger. We just didn't know any better, we honestly thought that was a jump shot.

We did have fun jumping over hotwheel cars like we were Evel Knievel.

 

[wuweixia]

In the WPA rules, intentional miscues are unsportsmanlike conduct. I think that most shots that people would call scoop shots are actually miscues.

That's a strange rule. Why would that be?

 

[straightline]

Means essentially, no cheap moves. And like the criminal code it shadows, has to broken down into specific scenarios.

 

[Bob Jewett]

That's a strange rule (about intentional miscues). Why would that be?

There are some very "interesting" things you can do with intentional miscues, so the way you can set the cue ball in motion is restricted to a forward motion of the stick and a normal tip-to-ball contact. Unintentional miscues are not penalized, normally, even though they often involve more than one contact between cue stick and cue ball.