SVB vs O'Sullivan 14.1 Challenge Match

vjmehra said:
Pretty sure Ronnie said Efren is the only person to ever 'out-hustle' him on a snooker table (you can interpret that as you will, but I took it to mean that Efren could play snooker almost as well as pool, which is backed up by Jimmy White's encounters with him too).

As you say, the pro always wins on their own table, however its skewed slightly in that a pool pro will be unlikely to win a single frame off a top 8 snooker pro, whereas even a low level snooker pro will still rack up a few points in Straight Pool.
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There was a spot involved..40 or 45 points.
Efren did play well on a 5x10 snooker table...he beat Kirk Stevens.
Jose Parica beat Jimmy Wych on a 5x10 also....had no success on a 6x12.
 
pt109 said:
There was a spot involved..40 or 45 points.
Efren did play well on a 5x10 snooker table...he beat Kirk Stevens.
Jose Parica beat Jimmy Wych on a 5x10 also....had no success on a 6x12.
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Ah, that makes more sense!

There is a world of difference between a 5 x 10 and a 6 x 12, very different games.

That said, I'm sure in Jimmy's autobiography he mentioned something about Efren hitting ton's (I assumed he meant on a full size table as we don't really have many 5 x 10's over here)!
 
ShootingArts said:
Ronnie did a few shows where he was going to do a travelog. Traveling the US, he was going to get in action when he could trying to be a bit undercover. I think the few of those shows I saw indicated that Ronnie was more like an "A" player than like a pro on a pool table.

The situation is flip-flopped or an even bigger gap if a pool player is foolish enough to get on a snooker table with Ronnie. Put any US pro pool player on a snooker table with Ronnie and unless Ronnie is feeling merciful the pro would never get to six playing twenty-one frames.

I spent a couple hours a day on a snooker table for about two years in my younger days. Got pretty fair and it helped my accuracy and position play but at the same time I was playing a few hours a day on a snooker table I was playing about three times that much on a pool table. No snooker table around me for a few decades. I tried snooker with a pool cue like I used to do fairly recently. Holy mackerel! Adjustments were huge. I hit a few balls on the snooker table with a friend's 11.8mm REVO and it worked much better. Never the less, pool is pool and snooker is snooker. If a great young pool player like Filler dedicated several years of intense effort to snooker he might be able to play a little.

The same thing if a snooker player tried to go the other way, it wouldn't be an overnight thing. Ronnie said it would take him five years to play pool. I assume he meant at the same level he plays snooker. I would suspect more like two years if he focused solely on pool.

It would have been interesting if a young Efren had spent a few years on a snooker table instead of carom or after his carom days. One of the most flexible pool players in the world if not the most flexible, he might have made the jump. We will never know.

Modern snooker players are better at pretty much all aspects of cue sports than pool players. Pocketing, spin, position play, you name it. They still don't make the jump to pool tables easily. I think it is the bigger heavier balls more than the tables. Snooker is usually played on heated tables now too I believe.

Anyway, a thousand points on a pool table, I think a pool player would get out front and cruise. On a snooker table a snooker player would do much the same. The games are a lot more different than they appear to be to a casual observer.

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I'm not so inclined to believe that the pool player could cruise to a win to 1000 as the differences in the 2 games are no where near what they pose in rotation games
I can see Ronnie picking up the game very quickly ,
If he was to dedicate a yr to 14-1 like Alex did to snooker I'm pretty sure Ronnie would fair much better against 14-1 players than Alex did against snooker players

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one stroke said:
I'm not so inclined to believe that the pool player could cruise to a win to 1000 as the differences in the 2 games are no where near what they pose in rotation games
I can see Ronnie picking up the game very quickly ,
If he was to dedicate a yr to 14-1 like Alex did to snooker I'm pretty sure Ronnie would fair much better against 14-1 players than Alex did against snooker players

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No doubt. Their cueing is so precise that if they played a lot of pool they'd be top speed players. I remember when Allison and Karen came over. They had zero bad habits thus they dominated pretty quick.
 
garczar said:
No doubt. Their cueing is so precise that if they played a lot of pool they'd be top speed players. I remember when Allison and Karen came over. They had zero bad habits thus they dominated pretty quick.
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I'll add Kelly Fisher to that group ,no one has to like player her ,,the only reason the men haven't done it and I mean the Top Men is there simply isn't any incentive, women's snooker doesn't pay like the men get paid , the opportunity to win in pool and make money is better for them in pool ,,


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