Just trying to keep it simple so the simple-minded can grasp it.
**SVB - wins both rotation events at Derby **
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Just trying to keep it simple so the simple-minded can grasp it.
I think that's great feat for sure and no one is denying Shane's a great player however as some great golfers have proven there are certain stages that bring on a different challenge and some just dont perform well on those stages while others even lesser players raise their level of play that what makes it so hard to win because you have to fade that rise in play also
People can make all the excuses they want but when they win won their quick to point out what a accomplishment it is
as they should because its no easy feat
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You still don't get it. Let me give you an example....
Friday night I played in a short race format tournament. Race to 4 on the winners side and race to 3 on the losers. This tournament was for higher B players and lower A players which I am neither one of. I'm just a middle of the road C player.
You following me so far Einstein?
Ok good.... Now I cashed in this tournament. I should have been nowhere near the cabbage in this field but.... I was getting some rolls. I was in no way one of the best 4 players there. I was getting lucky and the short race allowed me to beat some way better players. Had this been a race to 11 my chances would have diminished greatly. Had it been a real long race format like we are saying I would have had zero chance.
It takes longer then nine game races to determine who the best pro is. Until these guys step up and play SVB in these long races there is no doubting he is the best right now.
Another way to put it is this.
If Darren and Shane were to play races to 11, Darren might be the favorite, since short races are his big strength. However, Shane could still win those short races against him.
Now if they played a race to 50, then Darren would never win a set.
SJM, Of all the players that were not there that you listed alphabetically, only Alex Pagulayan has the balls to gamble with SVB and he is not playing pool right now. So you cant have a great, world class fields without Chris Melling??? or David Alcaide??? or Nick Van Den Berg??? Oh no we cant have a tourney now... Antonio Gabica did not show....what do we do now??? the great Antonio Gabica could not make it
So for as long as Shane has been playing pro pool, since around 2007, he has usually been the only american that has even traveled to play in world championships. Where is your astericks about those that have won the tourneys saying "well, Earl Strickland, Johnny Archer, Alex Pagulayan, Oliver Ortmann, Nick Varner, Fong Pang Chao, etc. did not show up, how is this really a true World Champion?
anyone know who won the 2013 World 8 ball Championships???
Anyone know who won the 2013 World Ten Ball Championships???
How great a golfer would Tiger Woods be considered to be if the Masters, US Open and British Open were all canceled and the only major was the PGA Championships and Keegan Bradley won that? If majors events in Golf and Tennis were canceled like in pool then history would not show just how great Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Tiger Woods have been...doesnt change how great they play their respective games.
What you guys are failing to understand in this is the sample size of Shane playing in international tourneys is really small. Add the fact that he's only played in a handful to the variance of short race tourneys (look the term "variance" up please all of you that can't grasp it) and you'll get your answer as to why he hasn't won one yet.
I can guarantee you if he plays in all of the world championships for the next 5 years that he will win a few.
And the golf analogy proves all of our points even more. The talent pool on the world stage in golf is multiplied by 100 over what it is in pool, but take a single major, say the US Open which has ~156 players. Over 4 rounds you can automatically eliminate half of the field that have no chance. Shorten it to 1 round and every player has a chance to win. It's just like short races in pool. Take Tennis majors for example as well. Why do you think they play best 3 of 5 sets in the majors instead of best 2 of 3 at the majority of the others tourneys on the ATP? Because it's a better determining factor of whom the better player is.
I can guarantee you if he plays in all of the world championships for the next 5 years that he will win a few.
And the golf analogy proves all of our points even more. The talent pool on the world stage in golf is multiplied by 100 over what it is in pool, but take a single major, say the US Open which has ~156 players. Over 4 rounds you can automatically eliminate half of the field that have no chance. Shorten it to 1 round and every player has a chance to win. It's just like short races in pool. Take Tennis majors for example as well. Why do you think they play best 3 of 5 sets in the majors instead of best 2 of 3 at the majority of the others tourneys on the ATP? Because it's a better determining factor of whom the better player is.
First off brain surgeon unless everyone is playing races to 100 you can't have statistical data to prove who the best is ,, what you have is one guy playing basically on his home court ,,do you think if he is playing in GB with their fans packed in the stands he is in the same comfort zone , I hardly think so , we already saw Earl destroy him when that happened
What cracks me up is people think Shane is light yrs ahead if the rest of the pack and he's simply not
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what cracks me up is you sarcastically calling people brain surgeons when your posts are littered with gross spelling errors and you write like a 10 year old. Seriously, when you google "variance" also google "how to type", "how to form a sentence", and whatever word you are trying to spell.
I had to copy and paste how to type. Along with google.
Pool tourneys are several rounds not one round its a battle of contrition stop with the variances that's what separates the winners and losers that's what sports and championships are made for
Shane can't travel around the world carrying the Tar table with him
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lmao, do you mean attrition? If it were a battle of contrition then the players might all forfeit for their remorse over the fouls they committed.
no WPA 8-ball last year. in 2012, chang jung-lin won. runner-up was fu che-wei.
for 10-ball, the WPA event last year was the "Ultimate 10-ball Championship" held in TN, USA. Mika won the event. SVB finished 7th.
My old lady works for top lawyers in the country and spends all day editing their notes
So obviously as you might already know intelligence is not measured by ones letter writing ability
The fact is whether or not you have the capacity to understand this , is that sports formats are made for a group to overcome different challenges and the ones who do that consistently are the best ,, to degrade a world champion because its not matches played head to head for days , is simply ridicules
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Its not good enough for those around here if SVB wins an " Ultimate Ten Ball Title" so that dont count... He won a World Ten Ball Title but it did not have WPA in front of it so it does not count.