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thekid

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I recentley spoke to Lorie (sorry if I mispelled) at SW, and the cue I ordered in '97' should be up for construction within the next six months.
I'll probably end up selling or trading it as I now enjoy ss jointed cues. My question is,What would be some unique designs or would combinations that might enhance the cues value? I know they're not doing inlays right now, but I was thinking about possibly getting 9 points and maybe using "Kingwood" in the forearm. I'm probably going to go with a leather rapand was thinking about having the points and veneers in the forearm mirrored in the but sleve if they will do it. But I do love the traditional SW design and wouldn't think about asking them to deviate too far. Any other suggestions?? Sorry if this is the wrong form.
 
Avoid green at all costs. It will trounce the value of the cue.

Ebony forearms seem to be the most desireable/rarest. Almost any wood for points looks good against mirror-black ebony.

Get the maximum veneers and trim rings.

All purpleheart (amaranth), turns brown with age, and no amount of UV protection will change that. I personally feel that purpleheart looks awesome (especially curly/figured), at first, but when it gets brown it looks BLAH.

I think Bocote and Zircote (AKA Sharkwood) are a crapshoot as to what the finished product will look like.

Brazillian Rosewood, and Wenge are highly problematic due to warping, twisting, and splitting, even several years after kiln drying.

I'd also consider wrapless, or anything other than leather. Most people seem to hate it.

I'd also consider getting the cue around 18oz. Which will make the cue most desireable in Japan and with more discerning collectors/players here.

Sell it in Japan, you will get far more there if you have an outlet.
 
BE your own dog:

Chose what you like or what you think might sell. A good thing to remember is its your order an your design an who knows you might have it 10 years from now.


Pinocchio
 
thekid said:
I recentley spoke to Lorie (sorry if I mispelled) at SW, and the cue I ordered in '97' should be up for construction within the next six months.
I'll probably end up selling or trading it as I now enjoy ss jointed cues. My question is,What would be some unique designs or would combinations that might enhance the cues value? I know they're not doing inlays right now, but I was thinking about possibly getting 9 points and maybe using "Kingwood" in the forearm. I'm probably going to go with a leather rapand was thinking about having the points and veneers in the forearm mirrored in the but sleve if they will do it. But I do love the traditional SW design and wouldn't think about asking them to deviate too far. Any other suggestions?? Sorry if this is the wrong form.
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IF YOU KNOW YOU ARE GOING TO SELL IT, TRY THIS. PRE SELL THE CUE. WHAT I MEAN IS FIND SOMEONE THAT WANTS A SOUTHWEST WITHOUT THE LONG WAIT. ASK HOW THEY WANT IT BUILT, GET A PRICE FROM SW FOR WHAT THEY WANT. PUT YOUR PROFIT ON TOP(YOU DESERVE SOME CASH FOR BEING THIS PATIENT FOR A CUE) AND HAVE THEM PAY YOU WHEN IT'S FINISHED AND THEN SEND YOUR FINAL PAYMENT TO SW.

JUST AN IDEA. I MAY BE INTERESTED IF YOU DON'T PUT A HUGE MARK UP ON IT.
 
Thanks for all of the suggestions! I really like the idea of preselling the cue, but I just don't know if I can send the cue off without trying it out for at least a couple weeks. I'll keep in mind the idea of going with an ebony forearm, and I may go for a wrapless cue.
 
thekid said:
I recentley spoke to Lorie (sorry if I mispelled) at SW, and the cue I ordered in '97' should be up for construction within the next six months.
I'll probably end up selling or trading it as I now enjoy ss jointed cues. My question is,What would be some unique designs or would combinations that might enhance the cues value? I know they're not doing inlays right now, but I was thinking about possibly getting 9 points and maybe using "Kingwood" in the forearm. I'm probably going to go with a leather rapand was thinking about having the points and veneers in the forearm mirrored in the but sleve if they will do it. But I do love the traditional SW design and wouldn't think about asking them to deviate too far. Any other suggestions?? Sorry if this is the wrong form.
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I have a suggestion, you don't want the cue, cancel your order and let someone who will enjoy the cue who is behind you on the list get the cue they have been waiting for.

Jim
 
I'd like to know who the hell in their right mind is gonna wait 8 years for a cue and just cancel the order within the year that it's supposed to be completed. I'll enjoy the cue weather I end up keeping it for 2 days or 2
years. But no matter what someone is going to end up with a nice new SW, and if there's a problem that I'm gonna make a little profit in the resale.............well I'm not gonna hold anyone at gunpoint and demand that they buy it from me. Thanks again for all the good suggestions
 
thekid said:
I'd like to know who the hell in their right mind is gonna wait 8 years for a cue and just cancel the order within the year that it's supposed to be completed. I'll enjoy the cue weather I end up keeping it for 2 days or 2
years. But no matter what someone is going to end up with a nice new SW, and if there's a problem that I'm gonna make a little profit in the resale.............well I'm not gonna hold anyone at gunpoint and demand that they buy it from me. Thanks again for all the good suggestions
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You and Marcus both make me laugh, you both somehow feel you're intitled to something. What wait? What were you out for 2 years that makes you feel you deserve anything? You made a phone call and put your name on a list, how quick would you be looking to get out if there wasn't a profit to be made? It's people like you that have made me talk to Laurie a number of times about taking a deposit, it's a shame she doesn't see the benifit of such a thing. Now of course if you had put down a deposit I would feel that you should be intitled to gain from this, but for the time you've had your name on the list you have been out nothing from your pocket. Also in your post you said you just want to sell it, not enjoy it for 2 years, I personal think you're a fool if you just turn the cue with out giving it a fare shot, many people who thought they were metal joint players have been converted.

Jim
 
I make it a point not to get involved in any stupid arguments that aren't face to face..........but here we go I guess. In my original post I said I was PROBABLY going to sell or trade it. But the fact of the matter is weather or not SW takes a deposit or not, the cues are gonna sell for more on the secondary market. Maybe we should pass a law that says no one can resell a SW for more than a $100.00 profit. And as far as bieng entitled to the cue, I AM. At the time I ordered the cue coughing up $200.00 wouldn't have broke the bank. Anyway, it's a mute point. Weather or not I keep the cue is my business, and the price it's sold for is between the buyer and myself
 
thekid said:
I make it a point not to get involved in any stupid arguments that aren't face to face..........but here we go I guess. In my original post I said I was PROBABLY going to sell or trade it. But the fact of the matter is weather or not SW takes a deposit or not, the cues are gonna sell for more on the secondary market. Maybe we should pass a law that says no one can resell a SW for more than a $100.00 profit. And as far as bieng entitled to the cue, I AM. At the time I ordered the cue coughing up $200.00 wouldn't have broke the bank. Anyway, it's a mute point. Weather or not I keep the cue is my business, and the price it's sold for is between the buyer and myself
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I'm not sure what about my post you thought meant I was looking for an argument, you asked for opinions and I gave one, sorry it wasn't one you liked. But please don't try to bullshit anyone, your original post was about what you could do to this cue to make it worth more on the secondary market. You loved the idea of the presale, so how in the world can you now come here and claim you may keep it? All you want to do is get a cue that will resale the best. end of story. You have no desire to get a cue you would like or even give it a chance, because of course you are a metal joint guy (LOL Don't get me started on that).
My question and I wasn't looking to argue is Why do you feel you are intitled to make a profit off this cue? What exactly have you given up during your long wait? Of course I ask because you and Marcus both feel you have somehow been put out and of course are intitled to something for all you have lost.
You asked for opinions and mine was if you don't want this cue then cancel your order, that was all, no need to argue.
Would it make good business sense to cancel?? Who knows, but I will assume since 2K wouldn't break the bank (LOL your quote) then you don't need the extra money you can make off this cue you really don't want. Now if you were a cue dealer and you sell cues to pay the bills then by all means make all you can, but of course if this were the case you'd know what to order.

My advice if I didn't know for a fact you were going to sell this cue would be for you to get 2 woods you really like the looks of and have it wrapped with whatever you feel good playing with and have it made to your weight and then when you get it give it a shot for a month of playing. I think you'd have a new post about how you've found your new playing cue and it had nothing to do with metal joints. But of course that would have been a waste of bandwith because as we all know this cue is up for sale the minute it gets to your house if not sooner.

Jim
 
Lol

JimBo said:
I'm not sure what about my post you thought meant I was looking for an argument, you asked for opinions and I gave one, sorry it wasn't one you liked. But please don't try to bullshit anyone, your original post was about what you could do to this cue to make it worth more on the secondary market. You loved the idea of the presale, so how in the world can you now come here and claim you may keep it? All you want to do is get a cue that will resale the best. end of story. You have no desire to get a cue you would like or even give it a chance, because of course you are a metal joint guy (LOL Don't get me started on that).
My question and I wasn't looking to argue is Why do you feel you are intitled to make a profit off this cue? What exactly have you given up during your long wait? Of course I ask because you and Marcus both feel you have somehow been put out and of course are intitled to something for all you have lost.
You asked for opinions and mine was if you don't want this cue then cancel your order, that was all, no need to argue.
Would it make good business sense to cancel?? Who knows, but I will assume since 2K wouldn't break the bank (LOL your quote) then you don't need the extra money you can make off this cue you really don't want. Now if you were a cue dealer and you sell cues to pay the bills then by all means make all you can, but of course if this were the case you'd know what to order.

My advice if I didn't know for a fact you were going to sell this cue would be for you to get 2 woods you really like the looks of and have it wrapped with whatever you feel good playing with and have it made to your weight and then when you get it give it a shot for a month of playing. I think you'd have a new post about how you've found your new playing cue and it had nothing to do with metal joints. But of course that would have been a waste of bandwith because as we all know this cue is up for sale the minute it gets to your house if not sooner.

Jim
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Exactly

Ken
 
No, it would make absolutley no business since to cancel, there's one answer. At the time I ordered the cue it wasn't so I could sell it as soon as it arrived, otherwise I would have ordered as many as Lorie would have allowed. Like I said I don't play that much anymore so I'm sure someone could use it more than me. And if they don't want to wait eight years to get a new SW than they're probably gonna pay more than the origianl owner paid, no matter who they bought it from. I'm not going to be looking to rip anyone off if I get rid of the cue but I'm not mad at money either. So to me, and maybe I'm bieng a jerk about it. I want a cue that will appeal to a collector as much as a player. But to think that only a dealer should be able to make a profit off of the cue, just seems a little......
 
thekid said:
No, it would make absolutley no business since to cancel, there's one answer. At the time I ordered the cue it wasn't so I could sell it as soon as it arrived, otherwise I would have ordered as many as Lorie would have allowed. Like I said I don't play that much anymore so I'm sure someone could use it more than me. And if they don't want to wait eight years to get a new SW than they're probably gonna pay more than the origianl owner paid, no matter who they bought it from. I'm not going to be looking to rip anyone off if I get rid of the cue but I'm not mad at money either. So to me, and maybe I'm bieng a jerk about it. I want a cue that will appeal to a collector as much as a player. But to think that only a dealer should be able to make a profit off of the cue, just seems a little......
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Again I'll say if you don't want it then just don't take it and let that other person who really wants it get it. I don't mean to say only a dealer should be able to make a profit on a cue, but you keep saying business sense and useing the word business implies that it's your business, which it isn't. So what really makes sense is to keep your money in your pocket and let the next guy who has waited just as long as you get what he's been waiting for. Please lose your attitude that you are somehow providing a good deed to someone who really wants the cue. And if you aren't looking to rob anyone why haven't you taken Marcus up on his offer?? Again my guess (and it's just a guess) you want to rip someone off.

Jim
 
Thanks for the advice and for questioning my charector.. But I think you're right so I'll get right on thephone with SW and have them cancel my order, and give my place to the very next person on the list, who's cue will probably going into construction at pretty close to the same time. Or maybe I can sell it to you for less than what I paid for it.
 
thekid said:
Thanks for the advice and for questioning my charector.. But I think you're right so I'll get right on thephone with SW and have them cancel my order, and give my place to the very next person on the list, who's cue will probably going into construction at pretty close to the same time. Or maybe I can sell it to you for less than what I paid for it.
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I don't want your cue, sorry I hurt your feelings.
I know deep down you are a great kid and you're just trying to help out someone who really wants a SW, you're doing the lords work. Best of luck to you. My advice would be not to ask for advice if you can only handle the good, not that I feel mine was bad.

Jim
 
JimBo said:
You and Marcus both make me laugh, you both somehow feel you're intitled to something. What wait? What were you out for 2 years that makes you feel you deserve anything? You made a phone call and put your name on a list, how quick would you be looking to get out if there wasn't a profit to be made? It's people like you that have made me talk to Laurie a number of times about taking a deposit, it's a shame she doesn't see the benifit of such a thing. Now of course if you had put down a deposit I would feel that you should be intitled to gain from this, but for the time you've had your name on the list you have been out nothing from your pocket. Also in your post you said you just want to sell it, not enjoy it for 2 years, I personal think you're a fool if you just turn the cue with out giving it a fare shot, many people who thought they were metal joint players have been converted.

Jim
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what if she just charged current market value like the american oil companys?

geee do you think she would make more just selling everything on ebay and avoiding some nits or maybee its "mutts"?

i guess some people care about somthing more than money:confused:
 
JimBo said:
You and Marcus both make me laugh, you both somehow feel you're intitled to something.
Jim
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JIMBO,
DO YOU KNOW ME? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT I FEEL INTITLED TO SOMETHING? SINCE YOU KNOW I FEEL THAT WAY, PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I FEEL INTITLED TO?

I HAVE NOT SOLD A CUE (OTHER THAN MY RICHARD BLACKS,WHICH I HAD A REASON TO SELL, WHICH I WON'T GO INTO PUBLICLY) THAT I ORDERED AND WAITED FOR.
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
JIMBO,
DO YOU KNOW ME? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT I FEEL INTITLED TO SOMETHING? SINCE YOU KNOW I FEEL THAT WAY, PLEASE TELL ME WHAT I FEEL INTITLED TO?

I HAVE NOT SOLD A CUE (OTHER THAN MY RICHARD BLACKS,WHICH I HAD A REASON TO SELL, WHICH I WON'T GO INTO PUBLICLY) THAT I ORDERED AND WAITED FOR.
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2nd time around!

First off , learn to read. I didn't say *YOU* felt intitled, I said you made me laugh saying that Kid was intitled and that I got from your very own words in your very own post when you said he should make a little money for his patience.
Let's for the sake of arguement use what John said, what if Laurie were charging market price for this cue? Would Kid still want it? We both know the answer right? Maybe you should lose the grudge for a moment and go back and read what I wrote. I'm not really sure why you have a problem with me Marcus but to me you really aren't that important so get over it and grow up. I get bored with the BS from one guy who asked for opinions but then didn't like one he read and another guy who just can't read, but wants to hate.

Jim
 
bogey54311 said:
you kinda did jimbo.

chris G
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A huge reason why these groups are flawed. I can see after rereading it 10 times how one can pull that out, BUT it's not my intent. The post was directed towards Kid, I said they both felt HE (I said you're YOU ARE) meaning Kid not both and if you read the whole post it's all directed at Kid, and Marcus's quote that he should be compensated. My point was clear that my opinion is he deserves no such thing.
He didn't do anything.
It cost him nothing
He put nothing out
He is out nothing.
I'm sorry it came across wrong but I stand by my original intent and I have no problem explaining anything I write, as things can be read many different ways.
to clear it up once more
Marcus and Kid both somehow feel that *KID* is intitled, and IMO he has no such claim to intitlement. That was all, BTW I also went on to say that Kid should have taken Marcus up on his offer.

Jim
 
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