Swivel aiming system on DVD

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kaznj

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I talked to Ron Vitello yesterday (Saturday) and he told me he was preparing a 15 minute demo of the swivel system of aiming. This will be available on youtube.

If there is a favorable response he will produce six one hour dvd's. The dvd's will cover topics like a full explanation of the swivel aiming system, banking, kicking, position play, and other topics.
 
I'd really like to buy that set. Any time frame yet? If I lived closer I'd go see him. :thumbup:
 
Great!

This is good news! I look forward to it. Would this be the 90/90 system, or something more? Where is Ron's home base? :thumbup:
 
You know, I don't have trouble aiming -- I can see exactly where the cue ball needs to go and all, what I need is help sending the cueball to that spot. When's someone gonna come out with a system for that?
 
kaznj said:
I talked to Ron Vitello yesterday (Saturday) and he told me he was preparing a 15 minute demo of the swivel system of aiming. This will be available on youtube.

If there is a favorable response he will produce six one hour dvd's. The dvd's will cover topics like a full explanation of the swivel aiming system, banking, kicking, position play, and other topics.
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The "swivel" aiming system? First we had pivot aiming, and now "swivel"? I guess marketing knows no bounds when it comes to gimmicktry-ese. What's next, the "ball-bearing spin" aiming system with high temperature Lithium lubricant? And how about the high speed centrifugal-force magneto-optical aiming system? Be careful, though, because technology really moves. Red lasers are "old" technology, so Blu-Ray is "in". Ultraviolet and X-rays are on the horizon...

:p

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
The "swivel" aiming system? First we had pivot aiming, and now "swivel"? I guess marketing knows no bounds when it comes to gimmicktry-ese. What's next, the "ball-bearing spin" aiming system with high temperature Lithium lubricant? And how about the high speed centrifugal-force magneto-optical aiming system? Be careful, though, because technology really moves. Red lasers are "old" technology, so Blu-Ray is "in". Ultraviolet and X-rays are on the horizon...

:p

-Sean
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Maybe that's just how Ron wants to try and describe what he has to teach.

How else are people supposed to distinguish their method from someone else's?

Who coined the phrase "ghost ball"? Whoever did it doesn't matter anymore as everyone knows what that is. Certainly it's better than always having to type, 'um you know that imagine a ball at the contact point in line with the pocket and replace with the cue ball' system.

Why is it automatically a "gimmick" just because it's named???

Well, Ron Vitello, put me down for a copy of your video. As well I will be happy to take all the freebies you want to publish on YouTube.
 
"The Swivel System" was Mike Eufemia's name for what we now call back-hand english.
 
Sean, you're getting pretty unbelievable along with your posts. Ron knows more about pool than you ever will. Inovation makes the world go and keeps us from being stuck out in ghostville. I see more than imaginary things.
sfleinen said:
The "swivel" aiming system? First we had pivot aiming, and now "swivel"? I guess marketing knows no bounds when it comes to gimmicktry-ese. What's next, the "ball-bearing spin" aiming system with high temperature Lithium lubricant? And how about the high speed centrifugal-force magneto-optical aiming system? Be careful, though, because technology really moves. Red lasers are "old" technology, so Blu-Ray is "in". Ultraviolet and X-rays are on the horizon...

:p

-Sean
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cookie man said:
Sean, you're getting pretty unbelievable along with your posts. Ron knows more about pool than you ever will. Inovation makes the world go and keeps us from being stuck out in ghostville. I see more than imaginary things.
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Hussa,

but these are also *very big words* against Sean. I don t know Sean personally-just from mailing etc. , but i am very sure that he also knows theoretically on the table-and also *read* and learned a lot of stuff. I wouldn t allow myself to say something like that about a person. Just my 2cts.

But i also wouldn t call something *bad* just because of its name. For things like systems or whatever you need for sure a good word, where all ppl remember easily about it. Maybe *swivel* will be an often word in the future, too :o)

Anyway no need to start again an offense (from whoever) against a thread,where just something is shown up. Just let s wait and see what s coming up there.

Ingo
 
Pain-relieving Neosporin for chapped thin skin

cookie man said:
Sean, you're getting pretty unbelievable along with your posts. Ron knows more about pool than you ever will. Inovation makes the world go and keeps us from being stuck out in ghostville. I see more than imaginary things.
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Hey cookie:

Actually, it looks like you're the one where the word "unbelievable" can be applied, and that's to your unbelievably thin skin, and your unbelievable ability to read something that's not there.

First, my post had nothing to do with any kind of "anti-pivot / anti-CTE" viewpoint at all. It had to do with *MARKETING*. Where'd you see anything in my post about ghostball-vs-CTE or ghostball-vs-pivot-aiming? You didn't. And it wasn't implied either. Personally, I laugh at all the marketing word-gimmickry that goes on in the industry -- someone will take something that is strongly rooted on another established product or technique, and rename it, sort of like "no, that's not a duck breastmeat sandwich, mine is a 'winged waterfowl' sandwich." That's not innovation -- that's masquerading. And you know what? I have a right to feel this way, as a lot of consumers do.

Second, you say I'm getting pretty unbelievable concerning my posts. Really? When and how often do you see anything but positive, supportive, and even [attempts at] humorous posts from me? I would say that the lion's share of my posts are just that -- positive, supportive, and humorous. I would put my neck on the line and challenge you to ask anyone here. You, however, seem laser-focused on those 1-out-of-100 posts from me where I have a difference of opinion about something -- anything -- not directly in support of your "baby," pivot-based aiming. Me? I don't care anymore about engaging in aiming discussions. I just play and practice, and use the methods I use as a means to an end. And my ends are not bad for someone that due to his career doesn't get to play as often as he wants -- how about a straight pool run of 122, which I accomplished in June?

Third, I want to close this on a positive note -- which I always strive to do. I'm familiar with Ron Vitello and I have great respect for his teachings. The point of my post was to show even the greats succumb to these marketing name gimmicks. I was enjoying a few glasses of Pinot Noir last night, and now that I read my post back, I could've softened the wording a bit, and I apologize to all about that.

Finally, cookie, you might want to get yourself a bit vat of Neosporin to apply all over your skin, for it appears that your thin skin is a bit chapped and raw. They make the pain-relieving version of Neosporin, so you might consider that version to give you some relief.

Respectfully,
-Sean
 
Sean, good comeback but everyone already knows from previuos posts that you ghostball aim. You stated you feel it's the only way to aim and your 122 speaks volumes to how it works for you. On the other hand many people like pivoting or swiveling and Ron only stated he was going to put some things on you-tube, if response was favorable he would do some DVD's. Where is the marketing gimmick? You've posted against CTE many times and Stan's video is in the process so I do think you will be changing your mind about that ( not saying you would use it ) only change your opionion about it.
I consider Ron a valuable asset in the world of pool and his info deserves to be recorded, but with posts like yours why would someone bother.
Ron , I would be greatly interested in your video's, please do them.
Dave
 
cookie man said:
Sean, good comeback but everyone already knows from previuos posts that you ghostball aim. You stated you feel it's the only way to aim and your 122 speaks volumes to how it works for you. On the other hand many people like pivoting or swiveling and Ron only stated he was going to put some things on you-tube, if response was favorable he would do some DVD's. Where is the marketing gimmick? You've posted against CTE many times and Stan's video is in the process so I do think you will be changing your mind about that ( not saying you would use it ) only change your opionion about it.
I consider Ron a valuable asset in the world of pool and his info deserves to be recorded, but with posts like yours why would someone bother.
Ron , I would be greatly interested in your video's, please do them.
Dave
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Dave:

Find me one post I made where I spoke against CTE itself, and not instead against some of the hyped-up marketing that some CTE advocates spew. Go ahead, just one! You won't. Because I haven't. But you seem to think that I'm somehow "against" CTE itself, just because I don't buy into the mushroomed marketing claims, and have openly gone head-to-head with some CTE advocates spewing these ridiculous claims. Let's make one thing clear, and let this be the last time. If you walk away learning only *ONE* item from this post, let it be this:

  • I've never posted against CTE and I'm not against it. In fact, I believe everyone should try a bunch of things, and use those things that work for you -- I know I certainly have! However, I do have a problem with overblown marketing claims -- e.g. "oh you *have* to use CTE -- no one serious about pool doesn't use it. Your playing ability will go up 'x' number of balls [my personal favorite] and 'all or the majority of the pros use it'."

Got it? So quit with the "Sean, you're so anti-CTE and anti-pivot aiming, and your past posts prove it." Go ahead -- this is an open challenge to you, Dave. Go find me one post I made that was outright anti-CTE or anti-pivot aiming. And get it right, too -- I mean openly "anti" -- not a post where I poke fun at (or take issue with) some overbloated marketing claim, which is a completely different animal.

I, too, would love to see more stuff put out on DVDs. We are all in this together, after all, to get all the knowledge we can get our hands on. But *LOSE* the bloated marketing. That's my main message, and in fact, it's the same message I have for Geno with the Perfect Aim stuff, so it's not all isolated to CTE / pivot-aiming.

Respectfully,
-Sean
 
Joel, let me know when those dvd's are released. I will buy them also.....thanks
SPF=randyg
 
From sean:
Exactly! And what does the comment, "CTE... ... works well in snooker" really mean? That he potted a couple balls? Tell him to move the object ball back from the pocket, deeper into the center of the table, and move the cue ball back away from that object ball. Then try CTE on that shot -- see how "exact" he is then...
Sounds like your against CTE.
 
Actually, it was probably me that you continually see inviting the CTE guys to explore other [more precise] pocket-based cue sports, like snooker and Russian Pyramid, and see if they see any sign, any hint, of any sort of pivot-based aiming. And they won't. The very notion of pivoting your cue goes against the foundation of these more precise pocket-based cue sports. As other posters have said, and a play on that old real estate joke, "it's all about foundation, foundation, foundation."

Sean against CTE
 
Wrong thread to be going off about marketing

Folks:

Viewpoints pro or con regarding what "innovation" means, and the bloated marketing that goes along with it have raged for decades, especially in these lean "pile-on" opportunistic times. Everyone's looking for an "angle," a skid that's already greased, an opportunity they can exploit to make the easy buck.

While my viewpoints against bloated marketing claims / word-gimmickry might ring a bell with some readers, one thing is for sure -- it doesn't belong HERE, in this thread. Ron's just "testing the waters" with some freebie videos demonstrating a system, and if the response is of a certain level (favorable), he'll go into a much more comprehensive DVD system. I'd had a few glasses of wine last night, and made a post that purely tongue-in-cheek (smiley-with-tongue-out included) poked a bit of fun at the use of a certain word ("swivel") that is a well-known synonym for the root word of the aiming system ("pivot") it's most assuredly based on. I was actually laughing while doing it, too -- in my trademarked devious sort of way (think of Muttley's laugh on the old TV cartoon "Dastardly and Muttley").

However, that was bad taste on my part -- wrong time / wrong thread to do this -- and for that, I apologize to RonV, kaznj, and anyone else that is really trying to share something with the pool industry, but may be afraid to because the material could be controversial (especially if using the AZBilliards forums as a "divining rod") or just not well-received. I know that anything RonV produces is top-notch, and he should know that we all here appreciate anything he shares -- it will always be well-received.

Sincere apologies, guys.
-Sean

P.S.: to cookie man (Dave): "I'm NOT sorry. Mwah ha ha ha ha" (another character from Dastardly and Muttley). :p :D
 
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