That's the work of an inexperienced installer. On this style table, the cloth should not wrap around the end of the rail, as it causes the gap that you see here.
Table not banking properly
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The installer came highly recommended, but these little eye sores have bothered me from day one. I am not a meticulous person, but I would like everything to be done properly. At the time this table was delivered and set up I did not know any different. I am in need of a recover in the near future, so how do I avoid getting another bad install? I think that I know all the right questions to ask before hiring a person for the job, but what about questioning his work during the process? Might piss most people off. Lots of ego in billiards, on both sides of the balls.
McRitchie
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If you do not have someone in your area: your best best is to research and learn to do it yourself. It is sad I must say that, but, I feel it is 100% true. With all the resources available, if you can't do it, you and a friend can. This is not rocket science and many have learned on their own after being burned for a bunch of hard earned cash.
Show them the things that are bothering you before they start the job. Let them know clearly what you expect. Most installers are fine with that. But generally micro managing them during the job is a no no.
Most installers don't want to take the extra time required to work on the little details. If they want to charge a little extra for the fine details, I'd be fine with that.
Exactly, I wouldn't mind a few extra dollars for a job done properly. I think that I am on the edge of doing this myself. I feel confident that I could do the job, just a few things that I'm not sure of, like the corners of the rails.
That can be played around with before you staple it. The scary part to me when I started was making the relief cuts for the pockets. But of you follow RKC's Instructions, It'll turn out correctly.
McRitchie
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If you do not have someone in your area: your best best is to research and learn to do it yourself. It is sad I must say that, but, I feel it is 100% true. With all the resources available, if you can't do it, you and a friend can. This is not rocket science and many have learned on their own after being burned for a bunch of hard earned cash.
I showed these pictures to our local Brunswick dealer and without me asking anything, he said "this is wrong". Could see right away what my problems are. We talked and he assured me that this will be corrected when they do the recover. I'm going to disassemble the table and correct any minor deficiencies prior to the recover. Just have to wait for approx. 3 weeks for the Tournament Blue to arrive. When I start the tear down, I'll revive this thread and keep everyone updated. Thanks to all who put their 2 cents worth in. Really helped to educate me.
McRitchie
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Hope you get what you are supposed to. Make sure that their first pull on the cloth is side to side and that they properly index the cloth! I look forward to hearing a positive outcome.
Finally my local Brunswick dealer received a shipment of Simonis for my table. I took the rails off and made one small repair on the casting bolt threaded insert. Every rail cover was cut long and laid over the edge of the relief for the cloth which would cause a change in the nose height. Also at each end of the rail, the cloth was "bunched" up and stapled which made a larger shim under the rail. Took the rails to the dealer to let them get started on their task, and the rubber was bad. I kind of suspected this as the table hasn't bee touched in close to 20 years. Also, somewhere down the line of ownership someone had Artemis cushions installed, and apparently were installed very sloppily. Uneven cuts in the wood among other things?? Also, the rail extension for the 4 and 3/8th's pockets was not done properly.
The first picture shows the incorrect rail extension, the middle picture shows the height of the rail nose. If you look closely you can see the markings on top of the measuring block. And the third shows a bit of a wave on the nose of the cushion.
Also on each rail where the black shim is glued on was a hole in my cloth from the balls banging the pocket facing. Aparently this black shim was not correct either as it had no give. Some sort of hard plastic substance?
I'm going back with Brunswick Superspeed cushions, and the dealer says that he can repair it properly, just going to take a bit more time and ......
cash.
The first picture shows the incorrect rail extension, the middle picture shows the height of the rail nose. If you look closely you can see the markings on top of the measuring block. And the third shows a bit of a wave on the nose of the cushion.
Also on each rail where the black shim is glued on was a hole in my cloth from the balls banging the pocket facing. Aparently this black shim was not correct either as it had no give. Some sort of hard plastic substance?
I'm going back with Brunswick Superspeed cushions, and the dealer says that he can repair it properly, just going to take a bit more time and ......
cash.
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Those are the wrong cushions for a GC, those are the K66 profile, NOT the K55 profile for Brunswick GC rails, and as a result, the nose of the cushions are an 1/8" to high, at 1 9/16".
Exactly, wrong cushions and apparently installed wrong and the rail extension also incorrectly installed. They are going to redo the extension properly and get some Brunswick Superspeed cushions put on correctly.
They????? THEY didn't know what in the hell they were doing in the first place, except taking your money, what makes you think THEY are going to get it right the second time around???
The way I read the posts, it seems he's taking the rails to someone different.
Yes, the table had all the malicious work done to it before I purchased it in 2013. I have been playing on it knowing that the balls did not bank properly. It wasn't until I started scouring over some of the threads that you responded/created that I started to understand what was going on with my table. The current table mechanic is the well known Brunswick dealer here in Ft. Worth. He knew immediately from some pictures that I showed him that the cloth was improperly installed. When he dismantled the rails he found that the cushion replacement and rail extension was all wrong.
Well, good news. The crew came yesterday and got my table recovered and set back up and it plays like a new table. They broke the slate seams apart and leveled everything and sealed the seams with bee's wax, (my preference for some reason), and marked the cloth like RKC describes in one of his threads. Stretched it 1 5/8" one way and so much the other. I really can't remember the exact numbers. All the cloth on the rails were trimmed to fit inside the relief area. The corners of the rails match up with the castings, the skirting and ball box slid right together with all the corners straight. A funny looking, angled straight edge, was used to line up the side rails and get them anchored down straight. It was a Swanson SVE720, might need one of theses? The mechanic who redid my rails was there. He said when he took the old cushions off the rail that the wood cut was very wavey. He had to smooth that cut out, not sure if he had to add any wood or not. Table is shimmed to 4 3/8" pockets, and plays AWESOME!! I am very pleased.
Thanks everyone for your input and insight. I have learned tons about my table while going through this.
Thanks everyone for your input and insight. I have learned tons about my table while going through this.