Table positioning in a room with an impediment

ShortBusRuss

ShortBusRuss

Short Bus Russ - C Player
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So, I have an impediment which I am basically going to have to deal with, a fireplace in what is an otherwise unusually big room here in Germany. I've looked at something like 10 high square footage places here, and only two houses even came close to having a workable room, with the other place having a room up in the attic with no air conditioning. I am 6 foot tall, and have arbitrarily chosen 5'5" as a workable distance to the cushion nose from the bottom and left walls.

Given these rough measurements (I haven't measured the room precisely at this point), I have used an online room configurator to estimate the clearances. It seems to me I want the table as close to the bottom and left walls as possible to minimize the issues with the impediment. Basically, the further I move the table from these two walls, the worse the impediment gets, but the better the "breathing room" gets on those two walls.

Given the tightness here.. Should I reduce the clearance to 5'4" to get another inch on the impediment side? More? It seems like this would move the comfortably playable distance an inch or two closer to the top right corner. This is based on a 6 inch stroke with the cue perpendicular to the rail.

I am right handed, so for some reason, I feel this plays a big role in how I should properly deal with the "bad stroke triangle" that the impediment forms. I am not sure whether I am actually at an advantage or a disadvantage over a leftie in this particular situation.

So, from anyone that perhaps has a similar room setup, any advice? I want to make the room as playable as possible "on average", given that there will absolutely be at least one rail portion where playing perpendicular will not be possible with a full sized cue.Do I already have the best overall setup that minimizes the issues?

Thanks,

Short Bus Rus
 
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ShortBusRuss said:
Room.JPG


So, I have an impediment which I am basically going to have to deal with, a fireplace in what is an otherwise unusually big room here in Germany. I've looked at something like 10 high square footage places here, and only two houses even came close to having a workable room, with the other place having a room up in the attic with no air conditioning. I am 6 foot tall, and have arbitrarily chosen 5'5" as a workable distance to the cushion nose from the bottom and left walls.

Given these rough measurements (I haven't measured the room precisely at this point), I have used an online room configurator to estimate the clearances. It seems to me I want the table as close to the bottom and left walls as possible to minimize the issues with the impediment. Basically, the further I move the table from these two walls, the worse the impediment gets, but the better the "breathing room" gets on those two walls.

Given the tightness here.. Should I reduce the clearance to 5'4" to get another inch on the impediment side? More? It seems like this would move the comfortably playable distance an inch or two closer to the top right corner. This is based on a 6 inch stroke with the cue perpendicular to the rail.

I am right handed, so for some reason, I feel this plays a big role in how I should properly deal with the "bad stroke triangle" that the impediment forms. I am not sure whether I am actually at an advantage or a disadvantage over a leftie in this particular situation.

So, from anyone that perhaps has a similar room setup, any advice? I want to make the room as playable as possible "on average", given that there will absolutely be at least one rail portion where playing perpendicular will not be possible with a full sized cue.Do I already have the best overall setup that minimizes the issues?

Thanks,

Short Bus Rus
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It certainly looks like the best layout to me .
All you need is a four foot cue for the fireplace shots.
Whoever has the right hand bottom pocket in 1 pocket should give up some weight for it.
Maybe a ball?
Have a couple of people come over you always break about even with and see how the games go.to make it fair.
Or give visitors the bottom right and tell them tuff luck ,lol.
I have a pole in the way and even a shortie cue won't help.
Most games it never comes into play , but when it does it could be several balls you don't get because you can't make the first one.
I thought about putting the table on a steel track, bolted to the floor and being able to move it over on some shots and then slide it back but my use doesn't warrant the effort.
 
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Does the fireplace go all the way up to the ceiling at that distance from the wall?

Or, is that the top of the mantle?
 
ShortBusRuss said:
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So, I have an impediment which I am basically going to have to deal with, a fireplace in what is an otherwise unusually big room here in Germany. I've looked at something like 10 high square footage places here, and only two houses even came close to having a workable room, with the other place having a room up in the attic with no air conditioning. I am 6 foot tall, and have arbitrarily chosen 5'5" as a workable distance to the cushion nose from the bottom and left walls.

Given these rough measurements (I haven't measured the room precisely at this point), I have used an online room configurator to estimate the clearances. It seems to me I want the table as close to the bottom and left walls as possible to minimize the issues with the impediment. Basically, the further I move the table from these two walls, the worse the impediment gets, but the better the "breathing room" gets on those two walls.

Given the tightness here.. Should I reduce the clearance to 5'4" to get another inch on the impediment side? More? It seems like this would move the comfortably playable distance an inch or two closer to the top right corner. This is based on a 6 inch stroke with the cue perpendicular to the rail.

I am right handed, so for some reason, I feel this plays a big role in how I should properly deal with the "bad stroke triangle" that the impediment forms. I am not sure whether I am actually at an advantage or a disadvantage over a leftie in this particular situation.

So, from anyone that perhaps has a similar room setup, any advice? I want to make the room as playable as possible "on average", given that there will absolutely be at least one rail portion where playing perpendicular will not be possible with a full sized cue.Do I already have the best overall setup that minimizes the issues?

Thanks,

Short Bus Rus
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I don't think you quite need 65" to the playing area on the side of the table opposite the fireplace. That is 7 inches more than the length of a cue. You could get away with 63" (5 inches more than the length of the cue), which would at least give you 2 more inches off the fireplace obstruction. Not much better, but might help a little bit.
 
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Technically, I guess there is some stroke room in there as the impediment shown in the drawing assume floor to ceiling impediment, when it's really not, but there is a hearth that goes the distance in between the two wall butresses that bracket the fireplace. This will impede my stance, for sure, but I might be able to still stroke decent enough.

It looks like the fireplace angles in for a few feet, so that might help a bit.

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Does the fireplace go all the way up to the ceiling at that distance from the wall?

Or, is that the top of the mantle?
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It is hard to tell with that picture because the couch is in the way.

My thought was to remove the fireplace hearth if possible, and either install an insert or free standing pellet stove to the right a bit.

It is hard to tell. If it were me, I'd get a fireplace expert in there to see if anything can be done to give you more room.
 
WGDave said:
It is hard to tell with that picture because the couch is in the way.

My thought was to remove the fireplace hearth if possible, and either install an insert or free standing pellet stove to the right a bit.

It is hard to tell. If it were me, I'd get a fireplace expert in there to see if anything can be done to give you more room.
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Yeahhhh.. Not gonna happen. This is a rental house and owners would not go for any major renovation like that. That fireplace is actually part of a whole-house "central-heating" setup fueled by a wood-burning fireplace in the other room. I am not clear on whether wood can be fed into both sides, or whether this is just an output from the main, but modifying it is not an option.

Oh, and in addition to impediment issues, there is under-floor heating in this room. I need to get an answer from the owner as to whether I can safely set a table on this floor at all!
 
I wouldn't rule out an upstairs option if the room size is good for you. If not air conditioned you might be able to talk a landlord into installing a mini-split AC/heat pump. Just a thought! As long as the upstairs will support a 1,300 lb. table and of course it will probably need to be a conventional 3 pcs. slate, not a Diamond one piece slate.
 
Lawnboy77 said:
I wouldn't rule out an upstairs option if the room size is good for you. If not air conditioned you might be able to talk a landlord into installing a mini-split AC/heat pump. Just a thought! As long as the upstairs will support a 1,300 lb. table and of course it will probably need to be a conventional 3 pcs. slate, not a Diamond one piece slate.
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I am actually looking at a Gabriel Signature Pro, which is actually almost twice that weight.. :-(

If I find the correct house and weight is a limitation, I can always go with a Gold Crown or a Clash Steel II and hope that the installer knows how to tighten up the pockets well enough, without extending the subrails... Cause it seems noone in Germany knows how to do that.. :-(
 
So.. this thread became an entirely moot point. Found another place with a 22x14'7" space in the cellar.

Sides will be a little tight.. Something like 4" clearance on the sides. But to make up for that, there is no heated tile in the basement room, so no worries about a heavy table damaging floor heating elements. Plus, German houses generally don't have any A/C, so having the game room downstairs in the cool cellar will be a big boon. Might need to run a dehumidifier from time to time, but a small overall price to pay.

And given that this is a basement floor, I can go with the heavier Gabriel Signature Pro, which is basically a Diamond clone.

Yayyyyyy!
 
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