Tables- Carom vs. 3C

[Black-Balled]

First off, sorry to see that our little section of AZB has been so uneventful lately...Well, Deno is a busy guy and I am sure he is in need of all the time he has got...but the rest of you ?!?

I had a billiards question though, I swear! I was playing some 3c a week or so ago, niecheated table that I usually get was being used and I was put on another table. The one I played on had a markedly different reaction to a heavily englished ball striking a rail- it was basically impossible to do this:
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It had to be hit like:
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I am the only person that I have ever seen play 3c on those tables...usually they play carom w/ 4 balls. Are there such things as carom/ 3c specific tables?

 

[Bob Jewett]

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I am the only person that I have ever seen play 3c on those tables...usually they play carom w/ 4 balls. Are there such things as carom/ 3c specific tables?

If they were Korean tables for four-ball, the balls are supposed to be larger -- 65mm vs. 61.5. Maybe the cushions don't match the balls.

What you illustrate seems to be that the spin was not taking on the first cushion and so you had to aim your lag a lot differently. A standard way to measure the cushions for extreme side spin shots is to start the cue ball nearly on a cushion and aim nearly parallel to the rail you are near to double the cushion. If you shoot along a long rail, you should be able to double the corner (side, end, same side) and come across the table to hit the other side rail as your fourth cushion. On slippery cloth, this is not usually possible. Bob Byrne also has a chapter about extreme english shots with some reference shots.

Except for slippery cloth or waxed balls, I have never seen a table that didn't get close to the correct spot on the fourth cushion. Often the problem is in the other direction: the cue ball sticks to the cushion too well.

 

[Black-Balled]

If they were Korean tables for four-ball, the balls are supposed to be larger -- 65mm vs. 61.5. Maybe the cushions don't match the balls.

What you illustrate seems to be that the spin was not taking on the first cushion and so you had to aim your lag a lot differently. A standard way to measure the cushions for extreme side spin shots is to start the cue ball nearly on a cushion and aim nearly parallel to the rail you are near to double the cushion. If you shoot along a long rail, you should be able to double the corner (side, end, same side) and come across the table to hit the other side rail as your fourth cushion. On slippery cloth, this is not usually possible. Bob Byrne also has a chapter about extreme english shots with some reference shots.

Except for slippery cloth or waxed balls, I have never seen a table that didn't get close to the correct spot on the fourth cushion. Often the problem is in the other direction: the cue ball sticks to the cushion too well.

Are you saying that this is possible?
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Jewitt, you are blowin' my mind!

And, the comment about Korean 4ball table- seems to be accurate. Sorry for not remembering the mfg name, but IIRC, 'twas Kasson.

Thanks, Bob!

 

[Deno J. Andrews]

That's really a strange reaction (or non-reaction I should say). I think that Bob's assessment is probably correct that the ball size was not correct for the rail height. I have not seen anything like that happen with the exception of balls that were coated with silicone...which is not unlikely in certain rooms.
Deno