Take a guess: what kind of cloth is this?
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This cloth isn't Simonis nor is it camel. I don't know what's your intentions are by giving out the wrong details but I guess you have all kinds here. Looks like a house cloth to me. 
Eitherway, people do occasionally complained about the Simonis 860 not being fast enough compared to their pool hall table cloth. I personally think most pool hall uses 760 instead of 860. Anyways, your cloth looks like a Mali.
Eitherway, people do occasionally complained about the Simonis 860 not being fast enough compared to their pool hall table cloth. I personally think most pool hall uses 760 instead of 860. Anyways, your cloth looks like a Mali.
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I have read that 860 was developed to give 9 ball players a slower cloth than 760. The pictures of tjlmbklr's cloth does not show the correct weave of Simonis cloth, assuming it is in fact the right playing surface.
I use a small hand vaccume with a brush fitting and get a little fuzz every time I use it, nothing like what those photos indicate.
Most bars around here use Forstmans sp? cloth, probably because it is inexpensive and lasts as long as anything else on a bar table. It can play at 860's speed if stretched hard enough, even though it is much fuzzier.
I use a small hand vaccume with a brush fitting and get a little fuzz every time I use it, nothing like what those photos indicate.
Most bars around here use Forstmans sp? cloth, probably because it is inexpensive and lasts as long as anything else on a bar table. It can play at 860's speed if stretched hard enough, even though it is much fuzzier.
Kung Fu Master said:This cloth isn't Simonis nor is it camel. I don't know what's your intentions are by giving out the wrong details but I guess you have all kinds here. Looks like a house cloth to me.
They actually use GT2000 at mine. And when you look close you can compare the woven structure of the cloth. but theirs is nice and smooth.
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mnShooter said:
But even when you don't have the light shining on it, you notice the fuzzies(because I already know that they are there). I even tried using a quality razor in a small area to shave the fuzz off. I did this once to a pair of expensive pants I had years ago that went through the dryer too many times. Don't worry, it not only didn't hurt it, but it didn't fix it either.
tjlmbklr said:Do you mean "slow nap"?
Is it because it looks ruff?
Ding ding ding, we have a winner, except it isn't grey and yes it is very bumpy, or more like fuzzy. It is "Camel" Simonis 860. Why so ruff looking, you tell me. I have been plagued with this for months now. The pictures are nothing compaired to the real thing. When the light shines through the window it has such a raised fuzziness to it, that it sickens me. It's Simonis 860 for crying out loud. I even wrote to Simonis and eventually talked to a rep on the phone. Then I sent these pictures, her response; "looks fine to me" I have only cleaned it with a brush maybe 3 times (the one the Rec. room store gave me). And let me just put this out there NO IT'S ISN'T ON UPSIDE DOWN. I since bought some "quick clean" and I keep it covered most of the time. I know for sure it plays slower then the pool hall I shoot at. I yet to call the rec. room supply store, because I am trying to get the opinion of as many people as possible.
Here is my origanal post if anyone wants to help me out.
Simonis 860 question
quick clean... i bet that's the problem. they've been using that stuff in q-masters and all the tables (also covered in simonis 860) have a napiness to them now. stick with the good ole brush... its worked for centuries.
contact simonis, they will stand behind it. It is not a normal situation and it does not look upside down to me.
tjlmbklr said:
I am baffled. My Simonis is perfectly smooth and lasts for many years. It is a finely woven material with no obvious nap.
I would consider several things.
- Is there mositure in the room? Is it possible that the material is swelling up the fibers due to excessive moisture, humidity, or mold?
- was the cloth stretched properly when installed? This stuff has to be TIGHT and evenly stretched.
- Possibly the batch was bad or was improperly stored, contaminated or exposed to chemicals or moisture before being installed.
I have heard of some solutions to this like spray starch and a hot iron, but I've never tried them.
I've had Simonis installed twice on my table. Ernesto Dominguez did my current job and it is perfect - much better than a previous installation also done by a pro.
I would contact Simonis again or the dealer/installer, talk to a manager, and at least see if they will supply you with the material.
Chris
tjlmbklr said:
I'm going to go with... Terry Cloth?
Sorry, man, I'd be really frustrated too. You should talk to Simonis again, maybe ask for a manager, and offer to send them one of those scraps you have. The employee you talked to may have been wrong, or perhaps didn't want to deal with the hassle.
Looks like different color and kind of cloth on the rails, but maybe that's just the picture. I don't notice any staple pulls on the rail. My cloth is more than 5 years old and you can still see where each staple is on all the rails because it pulls the cloth a little tighter at those spots. They should be tight enough to notice that just by looking. If it's not tight, it will be slow.tjlmbklr said:
unknownpro
That's very odd. Simonis shouldn't be that fuzzy. Where you there when they installed the cloth? I'm just speculating here but it almost looks like Mali Worsted. It's actually faster than simonis but after some time can get fuzzy. We have it on our shop table.
Now your rails look like Championship 21oz.
When cleaning Simonis you don't want to use a vacum. And Brush very rarely and just to get large junk up. What we do to clean Simonis is get a lint free cloth. You can find them at Auto stores. Soak it in water then squeeze as much of the water out as you can. Just to where it is barely damp and no more water is dripping out. Then clean the cloth.
Now your rails look like Championship 21oz.
When cleaning Simonis you don't want to use a vacum. And Brush very rarely and just to get large junk up. What we do to clean Simonis is get a lint free cloth. You can find them at Auto stores. Soak it in water then squeeze as much of the water out as you can. Just to where it is barely damp and no more water is dripping out. Then clean the cloth.
I looked at my rails again a little while ago and I can see the pull from the staples when I look under the overhang, not along the edge like I could when it was first covered. I watched the guys from Diamond cover tables and they pull the crap out of their Simoniz. I love mine. A poolroom owner/dry cleaner told me to steam iron the cloth to put moisture back in the fibers. I use a damp cloth to wipe mine down but that may pull it looser after a while.tjlmbklr said:
unknownpro