Tascarella or Scruggs

See? This is EXACTLY my point. Some of you (skins) are too thick and arrogant to get the point. Any cue maker can make something subpar. It happens! The Scruggs I have is perfect. The ones you had were what you just mentioned. I am NOT going to be stupid enough and say I don't believe you. Why would I be that shallow? This is a billiards forum. We should be able to share our experiences about cues, cue makers, bad hair days, etc. I am sure what you are posting is a fact. I see no reason why you would make something up for the hell of it.

The Tasc I had sucked. Get over it. It happened. So what. Does that mean all his stuff is no good? Of course not, do I want to go down that road again? NO, I DON'T.

Ya see, you can call me all the names in the book. Arrogant, thick, It's all good. Because It doesn't stop the fact that my "opinion" is based of of 35+ years of experience of physicaly playing with, collecting, and handling hundreds of the top makers cues.

As for your story about your supposed Tasc that "sucked", you're toooo funny, even you claim to have only owned only ONE! Even if it was true, how the heck can you come on an open forum and project such a strong opinion from one cue? Even if it were true which I highly doubt it would have probably been a house cue conversion that they didn't build and a wrap put on by someone else because the wrap would DEFINATELY not be their work as described. They are world renowned for doing among the best linen and leather in the industry.. Always have and alway will...

If I were to guess I would bet you have an ulterior motive that goes deeper than this supposed "one" cue you claim to have owned.. I'd bet the farm..

All that said, I truly hope you enjoy your "perfect" cue..
 
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Threads like this are just a laugh pitting two top cue makers, neither wins. And for cues most people are comparing used cues that we have know idea how they were treated and what conditions they were stored in over the years. Go buy a new Scruggs whoops you can't.
 
Threads like this are just a laugh pitting two top cue makers, neither wins. And for cues most people are comparing used cues that we have know idea how they were treated and what conditions they were stored in over the years. Go buy a new Scruggs whoops you can't.

Fair enough. But you could compare cues made by makers from the years both were active. Doing that doesn't sway my "opinion"... That said my opinion is not meant to say Tim didn't make good cues. He did. Just not AS good as Pete. In the 80's when Gus was at his peak, he was asked who he respected and built the best cue, himself excluded, and he said "Pete the Cop"... I rest my "opinion" :smile:

As I've stated this thread also has some who's opinion, I believe, is coming from other motives..
 
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Ya see, you can call me all the names in the book. Arrogant, thick, It's all good. Because It doesn't stop the fact that my "opinion" is based of of 45 years of experience of physicaly playing with, collecting, and handling hundreds of the top makers cues.

As for your story about your supposed Tasc that "sucked", you're toooo funny, even you claim to have only owned only ONE! Even if it was true, how the heck can you come on an open forum and project such a strong opinion from one cue? Even if it were true which I highly doubt it would have probably been a house cue conversion that they didn't build and a wrap put on by someone else because the wrap would DEFINATELY not be their work as described. They are world renowned for doing among the best linen and leather in the industry.. Always have and alway will...

If I were to guess I would bet you have an ulterior motive that goes deeper than this supposed "one" cue you claim to have owned.. I'd bet the farm..

All that said, I truly hope you enjoy your "perfect" cue..
Yes, you are ARROGANT. Yes, you are THICK. Go read your posts.

I don't have any motives. You are free to think so. Collecting for 45 years? How old are you??
 
Threads like this are just a laugh pitting two top cue makers, neither wins. And for cues most people are comparing used cues that we have know idea how they were treated and what conditions they were stored in over the years. Go buy a new Scruggs whoops you can't.

Hi Shadowmoss. I respect your opinion and want to make sure I clarify why I posted, if I wasn't clear. In no way whatsoever, was I trying to start a war. I simply wanted to tally and get a general sense of which cue, equal playing field, would the general population pick if they had the opportunity to do so. Total honestly, I like both cue brands and both cue makers and respect the hell out of both craftsmanship. Both are very well respected.

O.K. just wanted to clear that up; however, this is the land of the free and home of the brave, and I can't stop those from having their opinions. They'll end up shaking hands.

:p:thumbup:
 
Yes, you are ARROGANT. Yes, you are THICK. Go read your posts.

I don't have any motives. You are free to think so. Collecting for 45 years? How old are you??

Typo, meant 35. Actually 37 to be exact.. I edited it
 
Interesting question, as well as thread.

Having been a Tim Scruggs collector since 1978 when he went on his own, I can tell you his craftsmanship has always been very high. I even brought him a cue to refinish from another high regarded maker because Tim's finish was so much better. I've put pictures of one of a kind TS cues made between 1982 and 2000; you can search the archives and be hard pressed to find a flaw.

Does that mean I would say get the TS cue over the Tascarella? Not necessarily. I haven't owned a Tascarella, but having seen many examples, as well as photos, as well as conversed with Tascarella owners, I believe they are of the highest construction standard. I respect the opinions of those members, and I believe what my eyes tell me. Also, though not by relation, Tascarella has taken over the mantle of George Balabushka in maintaining the style and standard of the cue. I don't think anyone could argue this. If exclusivity is a factor, remember, Tim had been making cues since 1978 before retiring within the past few years. There are more Scruggs cues out there than Tascs, although you can't get a new custom built Scruggs. Think about the importance of these, if they matter.

I think the question in the first place is a bit mis-directed, the only qualifier being, if the cost of each is the same, what would the recommendation be. If you're going the play with the cue, there are differences between the two. Here are just a few:

Butt thickness. Unless your Scruggs was made in the late 70s or early 80s, the Scruggs butt will probably be a bit thinner than the Tasc. Tim started out with the old standard of the thicker butts, but gradually thinned the butts according to general customer demand with faster cloth, etc. In fact, I had to ask for thicker butts from him around 2000, as that was my preference. The Tasc owners can correct me, but I think the Petes' still make the slightly thicker butts, similar to the older standard. You have to play with each to tell which you like. With most current examples, I might prefer the Tasc.

Joint fit. I understand the Tascs have a compression fit for the piloted joints. Tim didn't do that, at least in the span that I bought, which is pretty long. Tim's philosophy was to have the joint tighten at the faces of joint and shaft, rather than the insert and tongue of the shaft as well. That's not to say a compression joint isn't the way to go. It's two different ways of doing it, and you might have a preference between the two. That is, unless both of your desired examples of each are flat face joints.

The hit. If you can try examples of both, to be really objective, you have to have identical shaft densities, tapers, and tips, with or without pads. I can take a hard-hitting cue that pings, and soften it greatly by putting on a softer tip with a pad. You might think the whole cue hits a certain way, when it's really dependent on the shaft and mainly, the tip.

Hopefully this gives you some other helpful aspects to think about. There are others, including the way they both constructed points. Way different, another topic on its own. Both Tim Scruggs and Pete Tascarella are great cuemakers. I hope at least that's clear. Otherwise this wouldn't be a topic. There was a comparison between Cadillac and Rolls Royce. I would refine that a bit. A Cadillac is a mass production item compared to a Rolls. I would make the comparison a Rolls to an Aston Martin. Your choice as to which is which.

WW
 
Interesting question, as well as thread.

Having been a Tim Scruggs collector since 1978 when he went on his own, I can tell you his craftsmanship has always been very high. I even brought him a cue to refinish from another high regarded maker because Tim's finish was so much better. I've put pictures of one of a kind TS cues made between 1982 and 2000; you can search the archives and be hard pressed to find a flaw.

Does that mean I would say get the TS cue over the Tascarella? Not necessarily. I haven't owned a Tascarella, but having seen many examples, as well as photos, as well as conversed with Tascarella owners, I believe they are of the highest construction standard. I respect the opinions of those members, and I believe what my eyes tell me. Also, though not by relation, Tascarella has taken over the mantle of George Balabushka in maintaining the style and standard of the cue. I don't think anyone could argue this. If exclusivity is a factor, remember, Tim had been making cues since 1978 before retiring within the past few years. There are more Scruggs cues out there than Tascs, although you can't get a new custom built Scruggs. Think about the importance of these, if they matter.

I think the question in the first place is a bit mis-directed, the only qualifier being, if the cost of each is the same, what would the recommendation be. If you're going the play with the cue, there are differences between the two. Here are just a few:

Butt thickness. Unless your Scruggs was made in the late 70s or early 80s, the Scruggs butt will probably be a bit thinner than the Tasc. Tim started out with the old standard of the thicker butts, but gradually thinned the butts according to general customer demand with faster cloth, etc. In fact, I had to ask for thicker butts from him around 2000, as that was my preference. The Tasc owners can correct me, but I think the Petes' still make the slightly thicker butts, similar to the older standard. You have to play with each to tell which you like. With most current examples, I might prefer the Tasc.

Joint fit. I understand the Tascs have a compression fit for the piloted joints. Tim didn't do that, at least in the span that I bought, which is pretty long. Tim's philosophy was to have the joint tighten at the faces of joint and shaft, rather than the insert and tongue of the shaft as well. That's not to say a compression joint isn't the way to go. It's two different ways of doing it, and you might have a preference between the two. That is, unless both of your desired examples of each are flat face joints.

The hit. If you can try examples of both, to be really objective, you have to have identical shaft densities, tapers, and tips, with or without pads. I can take a hard-hitting cue that pings, and soften it greatly by putting on a softer tip with a pad. You might think the whole cue hits a certain way, when it's really dependent on the shaft and mainly, the tip.

Hopefully this gives you some other helpful aspects to think about. There are others, including the way they both constructed points. Way different, another topic on its own. Both Tim Scruggs and Pete Tascarella are great cuemakers. I hope at least that's clear. Otherwise this wouldn't be a topic. There was a comparison between Cadillac and Rolls Royce. I would refine that a bit. A Cadillac is a mass production item compared to a Rolls. I would make the comparison a Rolls to an Aston Martin. Your choice as to which is which.

WW

You are flat ass wrong about butt thickness unless you go way way back. I can not comment on older cues.
 
You are flat ass wrong about butt thickness unless you go way way back. I can not comment on older cues.

I was commenting about older Tim Scruggs cues, late 70s and early 80s with respect to butt thickness, as they were generally thicker than his later cues. I happen to own several of the cues I'm talking about, and can give measurements to the thousandths of an inch if necessary. Exactly what am I flat ass wrong about, especially as you note you can not comment on older cues, to which i was referring in the first place?

Please read a post carefully before deciding to flame with no specifics.
 
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scruggs are the best playing cues ever made, at least for me. ive played both, and pete made me try a balabushka once. balabushkas are strictly historical, not that great. tascarellas are fantastic and proboly top three best built cues, scruggs has the best feedback out of all of them, and ive tried most top cue makers, from original franklins sw, hercek(very nice), black boar(overrated) and beyond. but like anything else cue related this is all subjective. thats "my" feeling towards these cues. ofcourse everyone is different. if the choice is between the two for collection, I would go with tascarella easy. if you plan on playing with the cue, which is the intent and purpose of them, Id go scruggs easy. Collection of cues or anything else is either an investment or insanity, Id go with what would bring the best return. or you can buy a really expensive top cue maker cue and slap a predator shaft on that big boy:grin:
 
I own a plain jane Scruggs, Hits like it's possessed !! Tasc cues look like super high quality, don't know that i can ever afford one though....
 
I remember reading once, where Willie M. stated that a new cue requires 100 hours of play for he to become accustumed to it. Each cue is different in it's own way. If a cue hits great to you, it might not feel the same to other's. Scruggs made many more cues that Pete. There are many great hitting and playing cues out there from Scruggs, but he made them faster and while trying to make them with a quailty in mind, they aren't the higher end quality of a custom cue that would take longer to build, like the ones Pete works at. That's what I'm looking at when this discussion came along. There might be a Scruggs out there that would feel better to me than one of Pete's cues,,but I bet there are more of Pete's cues that would fit me better and quicker than Scruggs.:thumbup:
 
What's better: A Bob Frey made SCRUGGS or a Mike Cochran made SCRUGGS??

In my opinion BB is the finest cue you could own, No other even close. But my second would be Mike Cochran or a Cochran built Scruggs.Don;t get me wrong there are a lot of great cue makers to pick from.But what do I know?
 
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Everyone has their favorites. What's better Nestlé's or Hershey's?

Some people are friends with the makers, and it will sway their opinion. I have had better luck selling Pete's cues than Timmy's. Will that sway my opinion? Of course.

If your budget was 5k, go out and see what is out there. As far as holding value, unless someone has a crystal ball, you never know.

But both guys build or built, good solid cues.

JV
 
In my opinion BB is the finest cue you could own, No other even close. But my second would be Mike Cochran or a Cochran built Scruggs.Don;t get me wrong there are a lot of great cue makers to pick from.But what do I know?

I'm still an old schooler. I really like the 4 pointed Era . Playability is tops too. One of my favorites, for sure. I keep two cues in my case along with a break/jump. A BB is one of them.
 
All great feedback my friends. On the real, I have both niceties on the high end but need to clear space. Sheetload of cues and Momma is saying to clear closet space. But lets be honest, we say we're clearing space but usually end up filling it with something else. :p

Now let's all do a virtual hand-shake and keep this peace going. :thumbup:

Thanks
 
Going by looks, I agree Mike made some outstanding cues but as for a playing cue I think Bob made and is still making the best hitting cue out there. Yes Bob is my friend but a sweet hit is a sweet hit.
 
Everyone has their favorites. What's better Nestlé's or Hershey's?

Some people are friends with the makers, and it will sway their opinion. I have had better luck selling Pete's cues than Timmy's. Will that sway my opinion? Of course.

If your budget was 5k, go out and see what is out there. As far as holding value, unless someone has a crystal ball, you never know.

But both guys build or built, good solid cues.

JV

Great post JV couldn`t agree with you more. Its whatever the person that's buying can afford, has to make that decision solely on there own, what someone else likes, shouldn`t effect what you like in a cue. Everyone has different taste in cues. I myself have owned a few Scruggs cues, that played great to me & last year I could finally afford to buy my 1st Tascarella cue. That's what I play with now Which cue is a better player ? That is up to the person playing with the cue to decide for themselves. Way to much Hog wash about who`s cues are better then who`s these days. Just my 2 cents worth
Jeff
 
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