Techno Isel question

pescadoman

pescadoman

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I received a quote which include 4000.00 for a spindle and 5000.00 for a 4th axis. Can anyone here comment on that cost? It just seems like a bit much for a wood router.

The spindle they quoted me for cue work is a 3hp 6k-18k.
 
If you have that kind of money to spend then forget about techno. There behind in the times yet there prices dont reflect such. Not sayn anything bad about techno as i know alot of guys swear by them, but if your buying new theres alot more bang for your buck. And yes, A real cnc rotary is alot more expensive than an indexer. I have a techno rotary, kinda wish i would have looked at the newmark as it was a 1/4 the price

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Techno

They are famous for high priced options. If you are talking a columbo spindle
that doesn't sound totally out of line. I agree on the rotary at Newmark.
 
cutter said:
They are famous for high priced options. If you are talking a columbo spindle
that doesn't sound totally out of line. I agree on the rotary at Newmark.
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The 4000.00 spindle is a HSD 3hp(phase) with vacuum hood, 3 collets, and collet wrenches.
 
That spindle has plenty of H/P (not really needed for cue work) but not nearly enough rpm.

Dick
 
rhncue said:
That spindle has plenty of H/P (not really needed for cue work) but not nearly enough rpm.

Dick
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Bob Dzuricky, who has been gracious to provide me his input(he has a Techno) uses a Bosch 1617 with very good results.

I've been looking at Blurrycustoms as well...
 
pescadoman said:
I received a quote which include 4000.00 for a spindle and 5000.00 for a 4th axis. Can anyone here comment on that cost? It just seems like a bit much for a wood router.

The spindle they quoted me for cue work is a 3hp 6k-18k.
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If money is no issue, I say go for it. Personally I wouldn't spend $4000 for a spindle or $5000 for a fourth axis. Now I may feel different about it if e-bay was not available. I believe Dick is correct. Most likely that spindle is for someone making cabinet doors.

What exactly are you wanting to do with this CNC machine? Are you wanting to inlay or turn? This is what will decide the kind of spindle that you should get. For example, if you want to turn, then get the Chinese import spindle and VFD from e-bay. They would cost about $400 to get what you need. If you are doing inlays only then there are several quality spindles on e-bay ranging from $100 to $2500. If you want to do both then stick with the Chinese one.

Jim.
 
Mc2 said:
If money is no issue, I say go for it. Personally I wouldn't spend $4000 for a spindle or $5000 for a fourth axis. Now I may feel different about it if e-bay was not available. I believe Dick is correct. Most likely that spindle is for someone making cabinet doors.

What exactly are you wanting to do with this CNC machine? Are you wanting to inlay or turn? This is what will decide the kind of spindle that you should get. For example, if you want to turn, then get the Chinese import spindle and VFD from e-bay. They would cost about $400 to get what you need. If you are doing inlays only then there are several quality spindles on e-bay ranging from $100 to $2500. If you want to do both then stick with the Chinese one.

Jim.
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I want it for turning, inlays, cutting points...ect. Dick suggested using a dc powered turning station for shafts, which is a great idea, and an indexer for other things.

It isn't that money is no issue, it certainly is. That said, I would rather spend more initially than live with regret for years. I have never regretted the 1000.00 Bison chuck I purchased, for example. Techno sent me that quote knowing what I wanted to do and I mentioned McDaniel's and Dzuricky's machines when I inquired.

I'm asking here, of course, because some of you have been through this and I'm grateful for your help. Thank you all for your replies.

I know Jr's Farm has a Blurry that he says he is happy with and for that amount of money I can get an ATC with the deal.
 
Techno

I would recommend two different spindles. One for turning and one for inlays. NSK 2550 is a hot set up for inlays. Very quiet. But you can't
use it for turning. I'd go with something more rugged. I have a Bosch
and like it. Pretty easy to mount each on the z axis. I then use offsets to
switch back and forth. Are you looking at the servo or stepper set up.
 
cutter said:
I would recommend two different spindles. One for turning and one for inlays. NSK 2550 is a hot set up for inlays. Very quiet. But you can't
use it for turning. I'd go with something more rugged. I have a Bosch
and like it. Pretty easy to mount each on the z axis. I then use offsets to
switch back and forth. Are you looking at the servo or stepper set up.
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Servos.....

I am pretty sure Bob Dzuricky uses the Bosch for everything..
 
pescadoman said:
Servos.....

I am pretty sure Bob Dzuricky uses the Bosch for everything..
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Yes, he does. Having access to 1/2" & 3/8" collets is a real plus. Fortunately, he has one that runs dead true with Precisebit Collets & allows him to use .015" and even .010" cutters once in a while.

But he dreams about picking up a faster & quieter Precise set-up someday.
 
Just an observation - amazing how cue building has gone from a time honored tradition to whoever can buy the biggest, badest most expensive CNC and then he who does the best computer programming wins the prize of famous cue maker for the year. No disrespect meant to those who can build and program but I find it amazing how this profession has changed and how the computer has changed it. Welcome to the 21st century.
 
dzcues said:
Yes, he does. Having access to 1/2" & 3/8" collets is a real plus. Fortunately, he has one that runs dead true with Precisebit Collets & allows him to use .015" and even .010" cutters once in a while.

But he dreams about picking up a faster & quieter Precise set-up someday.
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Tell DZ for us that he actually wants a Kavo spindle and not a Precise. Petty much the same spindle however, coolant lines and pump are not needed. I would assume his interest would be because of the ATC.

Imo. Jim.
 
WyattEarp said:
Just an observation - amazing how cue building has gone from a time honored tradition to whoever can buy the biggest, badest most expensive CNC and then he who does the best computer programming wins the prize of famous cue maker for the year. No disrespect meant to those who can build and program but I find it amazing how this profession has changed and how the computer has changed it. Welcome to the 21st century.
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A CNC is just another tool in the arsenal - it doesn't build cues by itself. If you don't learn to use your tools correctly, the end product will reflect that lack of knowledge.

Gary
 
WyattEarp said:
Just an observation - amazing how cue building has gone from a time honored tradition to whoever can buy the biggest, badest most expensive CNC and then he who does the best computer programming wins the prize of famous cue maker for the year. No disrespect meant to those who can build and program but I find it amazing how this profession has changed and how the computer has changed it. Welcome to the 21st century.
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I'm looking for advice on a machine, not your political opinion. If you would like to start yet another thread about CNC vs manual, please do so somewhere else. I want no part of it here in my thread.

No disrespect intended.
 
Techno Isel

You will like the servo's, they have a very accurate homing mode.
It looks for a particular window in the encoder. Just like the big boys toys.
You can set up work areas on your table, then return to them using
offets you can store in a table in the software. The software is a little
old fashioned, but I've had pretty good luck with it. The faster the computer
you use, the better, plus make it dedicated for the machine.
 
cutter said:
You will like the servo's, they have a very accurate homing mode.
It looks for a particular window in the encoder. Just like the big boys toys.
You can set up work areas on your table, then return to them using
offets you can store in a table in the software. The software is a little
old fashioned, but I've had pretty good luck with it. The faster the computer
you use, the better, plus make it dedicated for the machine.
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Those are always fun when you forget the safe Z.:D
 
WyattEarp said:
Just an observation - amazing how cue building has gone from a time honored tradition to whoever can buy the biggest, badest most expensive CNC and then he who does the best computer programming wins the prize of famous cue maker for the year. No disrespect meant to those who can build and program but I find it amazing how this profession has changed and how the computer has changed it. Welcome to the 21st century.
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That statement just demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about what custom cuemaking really entails.

I've never "bought" a CNC machine in my life - always built my own from scratch, and built for others as well. Starting in the 80's, I am entirely self-taught in programming, and began with drafting everything by hand, calculating all arcs and tangent points and then writing the code line-by-line in word processor. CAD came much later.

And because I hand-chisel virtually ALL my sharp-pointed inlays - instead of just leaving rounded ends like I see a lot around these parts - I'll bet there's more "hand-made" aspect to my work than 99% of all the pantograph users on this forum.

CNC is just another tool in the shop - nothing more, nothing less. It's primarily used for making inlay work more precise and less physically demanding, but it still only accounts for maybe 5% of the entire making of a cue.

TW
 
Thomas Wayne said:
That statement just demonstrates a complete lack of understanding about what custom cuemaking really entails.

I've never "bought" a CNC machine in my life - always built my own from scratch, and built for others as well. Starting in the 80's, I am entirely self-taught in programming, and began with drafting everything by hand, calculating all arcs and tangent points and then writing the code line-by-line in word processor. CAD came much later.

And because I hand-chisel virtually ALL my sharp-pointed inlays - instead of just leaving rounded ends like I see a lot around these parts - I'll bet there's more "hand-made" aspect to my work than 99% of all the pantograph users on this forum.

CNC is just another tool in the shop - nothing more, nothing less. It's primarily used for making inlay work more precise and less physically demanding, but it still only accounts for maybe 5% of the entire making of a cue.

TW
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And down we go the slippery slope.............
 
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