Loun said:Ive played 1 APA session and have never played a TAP session. With that out of the way...
"OK... I see how you're defining it. You call the pocket, and you don't care how sloppy it gets there. If it goes 7 rails and goes in the pocket, it's not slop. If it richochets off many other balls, no matter, it's not slop. OK, I see how you play it. So, it's not a matter of whether it's a good shot or bad shot, but simply a matter of whether you're lucky enough to get it into that pocket, no matter how sloppy the route. OK, I see your point."
It is ludicrous that you are trying to say that having to call a pocket (in TAP) and having a ball go off another ball or perhaps go a couple rails around the table and back into that pocket is the same as a spray and pray shot in the APA. There may be some luck involved in shitting a shot in to a called pocket in a manner which you didnt intend BUT you had to some to some sort of conclusion as to which pocket you thought the ball was going to go in. This arguement is part of why your posts in my opinion lost some meaning. Instead of seeing what we all see (that TAP rules of call pocket results in a loss less percentage for an oppertunity of shitting a shot in than does the rules of APA) you continue to argue that there is too much slop in TAP. If you would have just agreed to what we all see then your other arguements might carry more weight instead of just looking like arguments for the sake of arguing.
You know we have disagreed in most of the threads we have both been part of but I came to this thread with an open mind and im calling it how I see it with facts to back it up. (APA = 6/6 chances of legally pocketing a ball TAP = 1/6 chance of legally pocketing a ball, it doesnt take a mathematician to see the difference in legally pocketing a ball thus the APA allows for 5/6th more oppertunity to shit in an object ball and have it count I believe thats 83-84% more chance of slop in the APA based on your own argument... so is there slop in TAP, yep it seems there is, is there DRASTICALLY LESS opportunity for it in TAP... yep there is 83% less in fact.
ALl of the above is merely pointing out one protion of your arguements, noone else but you was splitting hairs and thats the problem. Argueing with you has no point, as soon as legitimate factors start to be brought up you should them down because the specifics are not 100% rather than seeing that they are 83% in favor of one over the other and then moving on to the next factor at hand.
In all honesty I just want to play pool, even though I know there is no unflawed rating system out there I like to try as many things as i can, if it starts to hurt then I have the opportunity to stick it out and try to make it better or quit.
Sam its possible I might try a TAP session as it would be nice having better chances at moving on and or travelling to play. Right now my APA team will be playing for #1 in our division next saturday and then hopefully playing to move on... so things arent going too badly for us but having more opportunity to play is nice. I seem to remember last year or the year before there being a blonde haired female TAP rep that came down to my club and spoke with my gf's father about trying to get a TAP team playing out of our place but I believe it never was tried. (we have 4 APA 8 ball teams and 1 APA 9 ball team a week out of our club currently)
Also I mentioned in a thread 3 days ago that the reason the APA had a 23 rule was so teams would have to break up and it would mean more growth and more money. (its a business however and thats how business works) The main complaints I hear and see about my local APA is that its all about padding their pockets and some about sandbagging.
-Lou
Lou,
If your going to get in the technical sense about called pocketed and slop than I will agree with what you said 100%. But I have watched countless 8 ball games in TAP and slopping a ball in 1. 2 or 3 rails and more in the called pocket happens but very, very rarely. That is why I say TAP is not slop pool. You can nit pick that it can on the rare occasion and than say TAP is also slop. But let's use some common sense here. It is rare.
As for the APA team limit. Yes it is a good business to keep it at 23 points so they get more teams but do you think it's fair for you and your friends? TAP extended it to 25 and the matches play approx. in the same time frame. So which is better for the player?