Tell me about TAP...

Loun said:
Ive played 1 APA session and have never played a TAP session. With that out of the way...

"OK... I see how you're defining it. You call the pocket, and you don't care how sloppy it gets there. If it goes 7 rails and goes in the pocket, it's not slop. If it richochets off many other balls, no matter, it's not slop. OK, I see how you play it. So, it's not a matter of whether it's a good shot or bad shot, but simply a matter of whether you're lucky enough to get it into that pocket, no matter how sloppy the route. OK, I see your point."

It is ludicrous that you are trying to say that having to call a pocket (in TAP) and having a ball go off another ball or perhaps go a couple rails around the table and back into that pocket is the same as a spray and pray shot in the APA. There may be some luck involved in shitting a shot in to a called pocket in a manner which you didnt intend BUT you had to some to some sort of conclusion as to which pocket you thought the ball was going to go in. This arguement is part of why your posts in my opinion lost some meaning. Instead of seeing what we all see (that TAP rules of call pocket results in a loss less percentage for an oppertunity of shitting a shot in than does the rules of APA) you continue to argue that there is too much slop in TAP. If you would have just agreed to what we all see then your other arguements might carry more weight instead of just looking like arguments for the sake of arguing.

You know we have disagreed in most of the threads we have both been part of but I came to this thread with an open mind and im calling it how I see it with facts to back it up. (APA = 6/6 chances of legally pocketing a ball TAP = 1/6 chance of legally pocketing a ball, it doesnt take a mathematician to see the difference in legally pocketing a ball thus the APA allows for 5/6th more oppertunity to shit in an object ball and have it count I believe thats 83-84% more chance of slop in the APA based on your own argument... so is there slop in TAP, yep it seems there is, is there DRASTICALLY LESS opportunity for it in TAP... yep there is 83% less in fact.

ALl of the above is merely pointing out one protion of your arguements, noone else but you was splitting hairs and thats the problem. Argueing with you has no point, as soon as legitimate factors start to be brought up you should them down because the specifics are not 100% rather than seeing that they are 83% in favor of one over the other and then moving on to the next factor at hand.

In all honesty I just want to play pool, even though I know there is no unflawed rating system out there I like to try as many things as i can, if it starts to hurt then I have the opportunity to stick it out and try to make it better or quit.

Sam its possible I might try a TAP session as it would be nice having better chances at moving on and or travelling to play. Right now my APA team will be playing for #1 in our division next saturday and then hopefully playing to move on... so things arent going too badly for us but having more opportunity to play is nice. I seem to remember last year or the year before there being a blonde haired female TAP rep that came down to my club and spoke with my gf's father about trying to get a TAP team playing out of our place but I believe it never was tried. (we have 4 APA 8 ball teams and 1 APA 9 ball team a week out of our club currently)

Also I mentioned in a thread 3 days ago that the reason the APA had a 23 rule was so teams would have to break up and it would mean more growth and more money. (its a business however and thats how business works) The main complaints I hear and see about my local APA is that its all about padding their pockets and some about sandbagging.

-Lou
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Lou,
If your going to get in the technical sense about called pocketed and slop than I will agree with what you said 100%. But I have watched countless 8 ball games in TAP and slopping a ball in 1. 2 or 3 rails and more in the called pocket happens but very, very rarely. That is why I say TAP is not slop pool. You can nit pick that it can on the rare occasion and than say TAP is also slop. But let's use some common sense here. It is rare.
As for the APA team limit. Yes it is a good business to keep it at 23 points so they get more teams but do you think it's fair for you and your friends? TAP extended it to 25 and the matches play approx. in the same time frame. So which is better for the player?
 
"As for the APA team limit. Yes it is a good business to keep it at 23 points so they get more teams but do you think it's fair for you and your friends? TAP extended it to 25 and the matches play approx. in the same time frame. So which is better for the player?"

This is too open ended of a question I think to be easily answered. There are way too many factors to argue both ways. BUT in one of the other APA threads I think most of us agreed that the 23 rule should be 24 and that possibly 25 was too high. Really the only players getting hurt with a 23 rule are the 6's and 7's in the league. Then if they end up not being able to play... the 2's 3's 4's 5's lose because they dont get to see the more skilled players play and or cant learn from them. But the lower ranked players arent then forced to play so the development of the sport is sacrificed some in my opnion.
 
If they really wanted to "fix" the league and maximize the number of teams they'd eliminate the "23" ruled completely and allow 5 7's to play together.

They would need another adjustor to make it fair but they violate the #1 rule of playing league pool.............people like to play with people they like. And, most 6 or 7 level players enjoy each others company (always exceptions, and, of course, there are advantages of having lower level players on the team)

Maybe something like for each 6 or 7 that puts you over the limit their opponents go to 1 less game. Maybe not the perfect fix. I've put about 1 minute of thought into the fix. But, the concept would add teams.
 
Sam at TAP said:
Look at my first posts Razor. I never trolled for members, attempted to sale a license or anything that you say. I never once asked anyone to play TAP. I didn't even start this thread and to be quite honest with you, I visited this board very, very seldom. I have better things to do with my time. I was told about the post and came on to defend TAP. I also mentioned that I did not want to get in a "flame war" as you say with anyone but it always happens. That's why I try to stay off these boards. I know how words get twisted on these boards and to be quite frank about it, it gets very boring. But when someone posts lies and untrue rumors about people I know and TAP than I will post something on here defending both. I exposed Flick for exactly what he is, a disgruntled and banned ex TAP member.
And what is in a name? Sure I am VP of sales. Big deal. I am and always will be first a pool player like everyone else here. I don't put no airs on about a position or name. People that know me know that I really don't care about that sort of thing. The reason I have this position is that I have sold more licenses for TAP than anyone. Period. It's easy to sale something when you believe in it 100%. I could have hid under a fake name on here but I didn't. Unlike most everyone here, you all know who I am but I see names like Flick, Razor, etc. Put your name up if your going to attack organization or a person. I don't care what you think of me, what you think of my marketing skills or anything else. I am good at what I do and I know it. Instead of saying when is the last time a APA rep with that kind of position came on here and hashed it out with us you should ask is WHY don't they come on here and hash it out?
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Sam, I am quite aware that you did not start this thread, but it was started by one of your fellow Tap associates.

The way I see it there were two possible reasons for starting this thread. To bring attention to the Tap league, or to get opinions on how board members here felt about the Tap league. If I am correct, I would have to say that he succeeded on both counts. Unfortuntely any time you ask for opinions in an open public forum, you will get some views different than your own. It is just as unfortunate that any attention you have brought to your league by participating the way you have is negative.

I don`t have a dog in this race. You guys can carry on without me. I was just trying to get a rise out of you on my previous post. IMO you took it pretty well.
 
I don't know why it was started either but TAP does not need the attention. TAP's web site is averaging well over 9,000 hits per week. The problem with these forums is that you read words but don't really get to know the person behind them. Like I said, I didn't start the fight but I am not going to let idiots like Flick run down friends of mine or this league without saying anything. I agree with you on different opinions and I respect everyone's right to voice it. I don't have to agree with them but I respect it. But what I don't respect is people with an axe to grind, such as Flick, twisting words and making statements that just are not true. I outed him on a public forum. His words now mean nothing to me and I won't respond to any of his future posts. He, as far as I am concerned, is a worthless fly on the wall. We all know his agenda now.
On another note, TAP has been averaging around 1,100 to 1,200 new members a month for over a year. What's that tell you? And that's not spin as Flick likes to say. That's fact. TAP is real, its' for the players and it's here to stay. And the APA can't do a thing about it. That is also fact.
 
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Loun said:
"OK... I see how you're defining it. You call the pocket, and you don't care how sloppy it gets there. If it goes 7 rails and goes in the pocket, it's not slop. If it richochets off many other balls, no matter, it's not slop. OK, I see how you play it. So, it's not a matter of whether it's a good shot or bad shot, but simply a matter of whether you're lucky enough to get it into that pocket, no matter how sloppy the route. OK, I see your point."
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Loun... The whole thing that started this was they said it was "No slop". I said that wasn't accurate. Thus, I relayed the areas where they can call a pocket, and it doesn't matter how sloppy it gets there.

Just stated that it happens. Overall, it's not that big a deal. If you're good enough, then you can adjust to whatever set of rules. That was the only point.
 
FLICKit said:
...If you're good enough, then you can adjust to whatever set of rules...
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Really??? Just a few posts ago you were saying your game deteriorated due to your participation in the TAP league. You know, the tread that I criticized your elementary logic skills.

Which is it f-it???
 
roach... we finally got this thread calmed down and you have to start stirring the shit again. Theres no need, nor is there a need for flick to answer that question.

If you shoot in a league that you dont have fun in because of any of a number of circumstances no matter what league it is... it CAN hurt your game. Being able to adapt to different rules is a completely different end of the spectrum. For example i went and played as a sub in a house league wed. night that used BCA rules and for the life of me i cant imagine getting used to shooting a game, then sitting while others play single games then get back up against the same person shoot again... then repeat the process 5 times. I need to play 5 straight matches against someone because thats what im used to and thats what it takes for me. Would i be able to change and be able to be ready to play in that scenario... maybe at some point but not right away,

Everyone got to say what they wanted to say so lets let this thread die down without more personal attacks. Useful information regaring the TAP league or personal experiences.. sure but not personal attacks that do nothing to add to this thread.
 
Wow! This has turned into quite a....discussion. I have to be honest here, it is good to hear all the different opinions about the league. What's more, its good to see that so many people actually know about the league. After all, we are only 1/3 the size of the APA. I dont think that will last too long but its ok.
Flick, im not sure how to answer your quarrels because you seem to me to be the type of person that has an answer for everything. This is actually a somewhat commmendable asset. Just like everyone else, i have some opinions on the topics.
On your no-slop point of view. What is your idea of no slop. Calling a shot? If the 4 goes to the corner of the 13, do you call it that way? What if it rattles in the pocket before it drops? Should you announce how many rails it hits before it goes? I know, you think im being nitpicky, but isn't that what you are saying? No slop would be calling to shot EXACTLY how it happens in your opinion. In MY opinion, there is another word for that, professional. We arent pro's. We don't allow pro's to play. Im no where even in the same area as a pro. But yes, i am a player first. 25 team handicap rule? Just different. Thats all. Better you ask? Some people think so, some don't. If you like it, come play with us. If you don't, go play somewhere else. We like our league just like im sure you like doing what you do. Know matter how much you think I am being sarcastic, I appreciate your input. Anyone in the league who knows me will tell you i spend most of my time listening to quarrels and concerns. I cant always do something about it but my strongest quality is the ability to listen. TAP has grown to the size we are without ever having a corporate sponsor. Thats a pretty nice record.
So anyway, I am sorry that you are mad at everyone. But again, it is good to hear any opinion available.
 
Still no money

I still have not received any money from the Nationals as of todays date. I have a letter stating I would receive my money in five days dated over 2 weeks ago. well I haven't heard from them but they will hear from me!
 
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