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BazookaJoe said:
Who uses spin for anything except to legthen or shorten the angle of the cueball after contacting the rail?

Am I missing some point to this argument? :confused:

Anytime spin is applied to a ball throw must be compensated for.

A pocket may be cheated on a straight-in shot.
But then, it really isn't straight anymore.
Right?
If by a straight-in shot it means that the ball, the cueball, and the pocket are lined up directly, the outside or inside is used in relation to the direction of the throw (not exactly a phenomenon when compared to say........the aurora borealis).

Exactly what I am saying. Thanks,
 
DoomCue said:
What in the hell are you talking about? If you hit the CB on the left side, it's left hand spin. No matter where you stand, whether you're the shooter or a spectator, it's still left hand spin. I'm talking about SPIN, specifically rotation about the vertical axis of the sphere we call a cue ball. I'm not talking about pockets, your hands, your eyes, throw, or anything else. SPIN. Sheesh.

-djb

Just as you are confused, so is left and right confusing without clearification to hitiong the left side or the right side of the object ball. "Inside english" and "outside english" are both the proper definitions. You seem upset. This is not meant to do that, only to provide the correct terms.
 
fxskater said:
I meant it to be straight in, maybe my eyes are off. If i say its straight in and my drawing is off it IS straight in.


WEI TABLE HERE

If the shot was meant to be straight in then either you plan to follow the cue ball in the pocket or stop it somewhere before the pocket. No left or right english is required. If you are throwing the ball for position then you are throwing it, not englishing, because english appies to acquiring position. If you plan to hit a rail after, then you are cutting the ball ever so slightly. And if you are doing that and require english "FOR POSITION" then you are adding inside or outside english. Please explain this because I see nothing different.
 
pete lafond said:
Understand that there is no reason to hit an object ball with left or right on a straight shot except if a throw is in mind. .
Apparently drawing straight back with english is out of the question.

Fred
 
pete lafond said:
Just as you are confused, so is left and right confusing without clearification to hitiong the left side or the right side of the object ball. "Inside english" and "outside english" are both the proper definitions. You seem upset. This is not meant to do that, only to provide the correct terms.
I think he's not upset. He's frustrated that you seemingly never understood his initial post yet continue to hammer on something unrelated.

Obviously, the simple questions he raisedes are "why would anyone call the english used in on a straight in shot 'outside' or 'inside' english?" and "why do people say 'inside' or 'outside' english when referencing the cue ball interaction with the cushion?"

I have an answer, but I think you've muddied up his question enough.

Fred
 
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DoomCue said:
Since the terms are relative to cut angle, without a reference to cut angle, inside and outside are non-sensical terms. .
Not non-sensical, but rather generic. I don't think there's anything wrong with this, except for the players who don't stick to the same convention of what the majority of us understand as outside and inside english.

Plus, it's sexy cool to say,

"I thinned it with inside to hold up whitey"

as opposed to

"I cut the 14-ball thinly to the right corner pocket with right-hand english on the cuedball causing the cueball to slow down it's speed after it hit the adjacent cushion "


Fred
 
Fred Agnir said:
Apparently drawing straight back with english is out of the question.

Fred

I did not see the draw until I went back. Thanks for pointing it out. Inside and outside english now applies to the left or right side you plan to draw the ball back on after contact with the rail. Thanks again.
 
pete lafond said:
I did not see the draw until I went back. Thanks for pointing it out. Inside and outside english now applies to the left or right side you plan to draw the ball back on after contact with the rail. Thanks again.
Never mind, troll.

-djb
 
DoomCue said:
No matter where you stand in relation to the table, left spin is left spin and right spin is right spin. There's no ambiguity.
I agree with doom. If you're cutting a ball into the upper left pocket with outside english, you are using right spin. If you're cutting a ball into the upper right pocket with outside english your using left spin. Simply saying outside and inside spin isn't enough information because outside can be either left or right english as explained above. But left spin is definitely left spin no matter what pocket you cut it into. Right spin is definitely right spin no matter what pocket you cut a ball into. I also agree that once you throw a ball or cheat a pocket, then the shot isn't straight in anymore because you created an angle.
 
I got a 95% :( I missed the one about two ball groups. I originally had false for the answer but then I figured that since it was a "beginners" quiz it could be two instead of three minimum. Oh well, I guess I'm a loser even though I got my name on the board...lol.
 
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