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mikeiniowa

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I know this has been discussed before. But I just dont get it. How can two shafts with the same tip hit totally different.
I have a James White cue that has a 314 shaft matched up to it. My back up shaft for this setup is a 314 shaft that was matched up for a Runde. Both shafts were matched up by the cuemaker.
I recently had moori mediums put on each shaft. (by different repairman-both highly regarded by me)
One shaft hit substantially better. It has the "pong" hit that I must have. The only way I can describe it is the feel of ivory ferrules. Y'know when it is hitting really good. It just pongs.
Same 314 blanks. Same moori tips.
Does the glue impact the way the tip hits, vibrates, feels?
Both tips look great. Not loose that I can tell. I assume both are real moori's.
I hate to yank off the tip that has a clack to it. $20 down the drain and another $20 for the new tip gets old.

Any advice? Besides stay away from 314 shafts

Mike Athens
 
if the tip actually has a "clack" sound, it might be that the glue wasn't evenly dispursed on the bottom of the tip. Or... there might be something loose in the butt. Do you know for a fact that sound is in the tip?
 
the "pongy" shaft hit great on both the Runde and the White butt. Yes I am afraid it is a bad tip job. That can be the only explanation. The guy who did it has been doing my tips for years and always does a great job but the moori's that he does comes back clacky. I thought that was just the way they were. I have never had a tip that had that pong till now.

I guess I'll try a different cue repair guy this weekend at my state tourney
 
mikeiniowa said:
I know this has been discussed before. But I just dont get it. How can two shafts with the same tip hit totally different.
I have a James White cue that has a 314 shaft matched up to it. My back up shaft for this setup is a 314 shaft that was matched up for a Runde. Both shafts were matched up by the cuemaker.
I recently had moori mediums put on each shaft. (by different repairman-both highly regarded by me)
One shaft hit substantially better. It has the "pong" hit that I must have. The only way I can describe it is the feel of ivory ferrules. Y'know when it is hitting really good. It just pongs.
Same 314 blanks. Same moori tips.
Does the glue impact the way the tip hits, vibrates, feels?
Both tips look great. Not loose that I can tell. I assume both are real moori's.
I hate to yank off the tip that has a clack to it. $20 down the drain and another $20 for the new tip gets old.

Any advice? Besides stay away from 314 shafts

Mike Athens
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If you want that pong sound get rid of your predator shafts as tehy have soft ferrules and should not make that sound.
 
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cueman said:
If you want that pong sound get rid of your predator shafts as tehy have soft ferrules and should not make that sound.
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Does a radial pin cue create that same "pong" sound or is it entirely in the tip ferrule combo>
 
cueman said:
If you want that pong sound get rid of your predator shafts as tehy have soft ferrules and should not make that sound.
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I knew that was the answer. I had given up on the pong. Boy that is best sound when I am playing. A good shaft with ivory hits great like that. I have had a couple 314's that hit like that brand new for a bit but for the most part the predator never hit that way. This shaft is hitting like this now and I love it. It's not the shaft that I have matched up for my White but I will ride this horse till the pong is gone and then go back to my shitty hitting other shaft.

BTW the ivory ferrules for both my white and runde pong like none other. they hit great.

mike athens
 
If the joint end of the shaft is not perfectly flat, it will make that kind of noise, on any off center hit. Screw it together slowly,while looking at the gap between shaft & butt. If it touches in the middle 1st, then you need to get that shaft refaced...JER
 
for the first time I looked at that. Can a ivory jointed cue be screwed together too tight? I really paid attention to how tight it was together and it might have made a difference.
I will play with it a bit later and see if it makes a difference.

Thanks Jerry. BTW I bought a willards tip machine from you off ebay 2-3 years ago and just shipped it off to a AZ'er just now. It is making the rounds.

mike athens


BLACKHEARTCUES said:
If the joint end of the shaft is not perfectly flat, it will make that kind of noise, on any off center hit. Screw it together slowly,while looking at the gap between shaft & butt. If it touches in the middle 1st, then you need to get that shaft refaced...JER
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Mike,

You should Try a Fisher custom cue, "The Hit Is It", haha. Mike your James white has an Ivory Joint, and your runde has a Stainless joint, will make a difference, and there is a difference in the wood from one 314 shaft to another. I don't play with 314's but I've bought them to try them out in the past. I put one on a schon I had and it hit like crap, I put the same one on a falcon without a stainless joint and put life into that cue????? Strange maybe.

Congrats on your 2nd place at lakeside.

You should post pics of your James White if you haven't, makes me drool.

Have a great time at the State tourny, Good Luck and Play well.

Bryan Fisher
Fisher Cues

P.S. Did you have Reuben put a new Moori on for you?
 
yes Rueben put the moori on the shaft that hits like the wet dream. Hits fantastic. I loved the hit so much I had a local guy that I have used for years that does a great job put a moori on the white shaft. just not the same hit. could it be the glue ? or is that anal? The tip you guys put on plays great on the White butt so the joint material is well, immaterial.

and yes I will play with one of your cues when you can make one just like my james white.

I would post the pics on the cue gallery if I knew how to post without doing the links.

will you be at either state tourney?
 
Stainless piloted joints, ivory or Aegis ferrules and hard tips are the key to the pong sound.
 
cueman, thats what I thought.
Did I just get lucky that this 314 pongs? I know it will not last. Thanks for all the answers.

mike athens
 
The 60 incher I built for Myself, and use as My personal cue has that sound. medium-Tight (between 16-20 LPI's) grained standard shaft, with aegis ferrule & moori Quick. The Joint collar is DB linen though.


If the 314 made that sound, and you happened to pick that up used By some chance, then just in case I'd check to see if the ferrule is original.
 
Cue Crazy said:
The 60 incher I built for Myself, and use as My personal cue has that sound. medium-Tight (between 16-20 LPI's) grained standard shaft, with aegis ferrule & moori Quick. The Joint collar is DB linen though.


If the 314 made that sound, and you happened to pick that up used By some chance, then just in case I'd check to see if the ferrule is original.
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I bought both 314's a blanks from seyberts and they were matched up by runde and white. Hey I'm happy it is ponging, I just want to keep it going. It is nice to play with a 314 that doesnt feel dead.

mike athens
 
mikeiniowa said:
I bought both 314's a blanks from seyberts and they were matched up by runde and white. Hey I'm happy it is ponging, I just want to keep it going. It is nice to play with a 314 that doesnt feel dead.

mike athens
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Well, they should be original then If they were partials, because I can't see anyone making that change to a new one. Usually only done when In need of major repair anyway, and It's not worth sending the shaft back, or having someone restore it to original. Maybe it was just a case of the pool gods looking down on you :D

Greg C
 
mikeiniowa said:
cueman, thats what I thought.
Did I just get lucky that this 314 pongs? I know it will not last. Thanks for all the answers.

mike athens
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As one who can't stand a noisy cue, I feel you got unlucky by finding a 314 that plays nothing like it was designed to. One mans garbage is another mans treasure.
 
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