The $600 plus wrap on a full splice cue?

[Troy Mckune]

"sneaky Pete" Is A Negative Term And Lowers The Perceived Value Of A Cue

Ok let me put this another way.

A well regarded cuemaker sends 2 birdseye maple fronts and 2 ebony handles to Schmelke and has them made into full spliced blanks. The 1st one he has spliced like a traditional sneaky pete the 2nd he has spliced so there is approximately 12" of forearm. He makes them both into cues with the same joints, rings, buttcap, shaft taper and quality of shaft. The only difference between the two finished cues will be the location of the points and the 2nd has a wrap.

Both cues are put on the market. The first cue will be labeled as a sneaky pete and probably sell for $XXX or so. The 2nd cue marketed as a full spliced cue will command a much higher price even though the amount of time invested and material cost are all the same except for a few bucks in linen and a little time.

So the general point I was trying to make is that if a cue looks like a sneaky pete its perceived value is less than it should be. Sneaky petes are probably the best value to get from a big named cuemaker.

Ok I probably shouldn't have used dollar figures because it is confusing my point.

The point I am trying to make is that of the two cues that I described, the sneaky pete cue will be undervalued more than it should be. By adding a wrap on the nearly same exact cue, the cue is legitimized in someway that makes it worth much more.

Please read my above to clarifying posts.

From Start to finish (like i described above) I could make two identical full spliced cues except for the distance of the points from the joint and the addition of a wrap. The two cues would have completely different perceived values on the open market.

People will look at the 1st cue (with the points further away from the joint) and say: it looks like a sneaky pete, oh that is pretty expensive for a sneaky pete, etc.

People will look at the 2nd cue (with points closer to the joint and a wrap) and say: It is a full splice cue, full splice cues have a better hit, full spliced cues are better cause there is no metal in the A joint, etc.


With the ever growing demand for full spliced cues and more and more cuemakers trying to make there own, the location of the points and a wrap seem to make a big difference in money. The sneaky pete is the red headed step child of the full spliced world.

 

[ridewiththewind]

The sneaky pete is the red headed step child of the full spliced world.

A non-veneered full splice cue is the red headed stepchild of the cue world in general....but I get your point. :thumbup:

Lisa

 

[pdcue]

Please read my above to clarifying posts.

From Start to finish (like i described above) I could make two identical full spliced cues except for the distance of the points from the joint and the addition of a wrap. The two cues would have completely different perceived values on the open market.

People will look at the 1st cue (with the points further away from the joint) and say: it looks like a sneaky pete, oh that is pretty expensive for a sneaky pete, etc.

People will look at the 2nd cue (with points closer to the joint and a wrap) and say: It is a full splice cue, full splice cues have a better hit, full spliced cues are better cause there is no metal in the A joint, etc.


With the ever growing demand for full spliced cues and more and more cuemakers trying to make there own, the location of the points and a wrap seem to make a big difference in money. The sneaky pete is the red headed step child of the full spliced world.

People who buy cues from custom cue makers already know all this.
Not all feel the same way you describe - tho many may.

IMHO - only a small, though vocal minority of makers or buyers
obsess over fullsplice/not fullsplice - tho they all do seem to
post on AZ

Dale<fully spliced but only partially sliced>

 

[Flex]

Do I understand the question here?
Why would a real person cut a wrap into the solid butt of a full splice cue?

I have made solid butt cues that the customer decided he wanted a linen or leather wrap added AFTER the cue was finished.
Of course if I had intended for the cues to have a wrap the cues would NOT have made as a one piece butt but rather as a three piece with a maple handle under the wrap area.
However, there you go.
The reason someone would cut a wrap into a full splice butt and hide all that pretty wood.

I did just that on a full-splice cocobolo butt. The butt wasn't all that pretty, and the leather wrap made from high quality belting has a different , more cushioned, feel from regular stack leather. More work to install, too. Looks great and feels even better. Plus that cue has the great hit of a full-splice...

Flex

 

[Flex]

A non-veneered full splice cue is the red headed stepchild of the cue world in general....but I get your point. :thumbup:

Lisa

So is the "red headed stepchild" somehow illegitimate? And what's "wrong" with a "red headed stepchild"?

Flex