The break
- Thread starter theCANNON
- Start date
.................
Last edited:
JustPlay said:
Are you kidding me? EVERYONE is trying to copy Corey! He's had one of the largest impacts on the way 9-ball is played in the past ten years! Players aren't afraid to copy him. They're not allowed to. The UPA has a break-rule that states 3 balls must pass the side-pockets (the requesite drops for every ball pocketed). This requires a hard break. However, if you play in an event where you cannot break from the rail and there is no break-speed policy, you will inevitably see a player cut-breaking.
Corey Deuel's break
Quote:
Originally Posted by deadstroke32
If Archer played like he did in Fla .this past year .no one is going to beat him, come hell or CORI D and that shit soft break..
I use to not like that shit soft break either but now I have more respect for it than any other break on tour. I had Corey on the radar gun and he can break the balls up to 31 mph. Most pros break the balls in the mid to low 20's. I asked Corey if you can break them harder than 90% of all pros out there than why do you break them so soft. He said "when I'm breaking them hard and hit a good break I'm still leaving it up to luck as to weither or not I get a shot on the next ball. I've also hit good breaks, stop the cue ball in the middle of the table and then scrached because another ball kicked it in. With the soft break I can controll the cue ball and the next object ball so I'm taking the luck factor out of it".
Since then I've watched Corey practice this break for hours and was amazed as to how he can tell me which ball or balls are going to go in after the break and which ball he is playing shape for and what pocket he will be shooting it into. I've seen him do this so much that it looks so easy that I thought I could do it. I had Corey showing me just how to hit it and I still couln't do it. There is a lot more involved than just hitting them soft. It is way harder and complex than hitting them hard and stopping the cue ball in the middle of the table. Depending on the table your playing on and the order the balls are racked you have to change your speed, aim, english and stroke. I've also practiced a lot with Niels who I feel has one of the best hard breaks on tour where he hits them and stops the cue ball in the middle of the table. I'm way more impressed with Corey's soft break and all the diffent things involved than I am with Niels's hard break or any other hard break out there.
I think if people knew the time Corey put in to learn that break and the complexity of everthing involved in that shit 8 to 14mph break to pull it off then people would appreciate it more and actully be impressed and like it as opposed to hating it. There has been a lot of pros that tried to to copy Corey's break but when they learned what all was involved they got lazy and went back to the hard break.
Quote:
Originally Posted by deadstroke32
If Archer played like he did in Fla .this past year .no one is going to beat him, come hell or CORI D and that shit soft break..
I use to not like that shit soft break either but now I have more respect for it than any other break on tour. I had Corey on the radar gun and he can break the balls up to 31 mph. Most pros break the balls in the mid to low 20's. I asked Corey if you can break them harder than 90% of all pros out there than why do you break them so soft. He said "when I'm breaking them hard and hit a good break I'm still leaving it up to luck as to weither or not I get a shot on the next ball. I've also hit good breaks, stop the cue ball in the middle of the table and then scrached because another ball kicked it in. With the soft break I can controll the cue ball and the next object ball so I'm taking the luck factor out of it".
Since then I've watched Corey practice this break for hours and was amazed as to how he can tell me which ball or balls are going to go in after the break and which ball he is playing shape for and what pocket he will be shooting it into. I've seen him do this so much that it looks so easy that I thought I could do it. I had Corey showing me just how to hit it and I still couln't do it. There is a lot more involved than just hitting them soft. It is way harder and complex than hitting them hard and stopping the cue ball in the middle of the table. Depending on the table your playing on and the order the balls are racked you have to change your speed, aim, english and stroke. I've also practiced a lot with Niels who I feel has one of the best hard breaks on tour where he hits them and stops the cue ball in the middle of the table. I'm way more impressed with Corey's soft break and all the diffent things involved than I am with Niels's hard break or any other hard break out there.
I think if people knew the time Corey put in to learn that break and the complexity of everthing involved in that shit 8 to 14mph break to pull it off then people would appreciate it more and actully be impressed and like it as opposed to hating it. There has been a lot of pros that tried to to copy Corey's break but when they learned what all was involved they got lazy and went back to the hard break.
amc4 said:
Thank you AMC. I've heard similar accounts from others who know him.
FastMikie said:
The only person I know of who has attempted this is Phil Capelle in his "Play Your Best..." books. His did this the hard way, sitting through several hundred Pro matches on video and writing down the stats. Accustats also have their TPA system for calculating the overall performance of Pros on their tapes, but it specifically excludes the Break from most of the normal errors it covers, except if you scratch. (IE Failing to get position on the 1 ball after the break does not count as a positional error as it would on any other shot.)
The other big problem with generating and comparing Break stats is the sensitivity of the break to table conditions. This is the real key to being a great player; being able to adjust your break to perform well on any table at any time. (Even on the same table the break conditions can change.) This is why you need to attempt to master at least 2 if not more break styles, so you will be able to change if you find balls are not dropping or the table is not spreading well.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Back in the 2001 US Open when Corey won it, he used the soft break and was successful at it. All of his opponents at the 2001 did not copy his break then and kept hitting the balls harder (at least all of his opponents did on the accustat tapes I have from 2001). Every time I watch espn, all of coreys opponents use his break but they hit the balls harder letting the cue ball fly around the table... So no I am not kidding, I am going by what I see on tape and on espn..
JustPlay said:
Taped matches represent about 2% (actually, it's probably 1%) of all matches played in a tournament. If you were to attend these events or play in them, you'll see a lot of players cut-breaking in the early rounds. However, you must understand, the moment they're not successful with it, they'll quickly switch to what works and if nothing is working, the vast majority of players will opt to break harder each time.
When I played in the Ocean State Championships a few years ago, a bunch of players were very successful with the cut-break and it spread like a virus. It wasn't long before the majority of players were cut-breaking. Good players pay attention to what works. Corey's understanding of the cut-break is much more advanced than the average player you see. He's picking up on things that we're not aware so he's going to soft-break throughout. Other players will give up on it if it's not working.
What other language would you suggest Americans learn?mjantti said:
Spanish and French! 
Black-Balled said:
Educational requirements vary from state to state. I took foreign language throughout grade school (Italian) and took 2 years in college (German). In my opinion, I think learning a Romance language should be required, especially when you consider that Spanish is the second most common language in the country (and I believe the world).
drivermaker
Banned
MaryD said:
Uhhhhh....knowing you're pretty new and seeing your break speed ain't why they're coming over to "help" you. If you want it to stop, go on Kirstie Alley and Anna Nicole Smith's "bulk up diet plan" to ward off poolplayers and gargoyles, and consider a makeover to look like Rosie O'Donnell.
mjantti said:Hmm, interesting. I named 3 top breakers of choice: Yang, Archer and Bustamante. And they all are really skinny and quite short
Archer is really skinny but I wouldn't call him short. When I met him he wasn't much shorter than me and I'm six two, probably around six foot.
Here in Canada your not required to learn a second language but have the option of learning French in high school. Wow this language discussion is really off topic.
MaryD said:ROFL!!!
Well, thanks - that made my day. But honestly, I go with my man & my (step)son, and it's our friends doing it - they really are trying to help. They just make me feel like an idiot.
It reminds me of when I was 8 years old and went bowling with my family. For the life of me, I couldn't hit a pin (this pre-dates bumper bowling). A lot of people tried to help me, and I just didn't get any better. I felt like they were being nice, and I was letting them down.
It made me feel so bad that I didn't bowl again for about 20 years! LOL
They're not putting me off pool, though. I've just learned not to practice on the front-and-center tables!
Mary
Mary,
Maybe they think your not breaking hard enough for the particular games rules. Ex.- two or more balls must contact rails, a certain number of balls must cross center table. The nine ball rules for breaking I heard were come up with to thwart Corey D's soft break.
Terry
MaryD said:
I actually learned a lot about breaking from teaching a woman who couldn't break very hard. Eventually, she developed a very controlled break that always pocketed a ball. How can you argue with a break that gets position and always pockets a ball? Seriously, if she broke for me, I could quit my job.
For the lessor players ...
That's why a 'smart' player will pay attention to lessor
players too. You can learn from better players and
from lessor players. Granted, the lessor player might
not have a 'grasp' of the mechanics of what they are
doing, but an upper player will catch onto it, practice
it, and use it if it benefits him or her.
As far as 'private' matches for Cory, I hear he wins them
as much on his 'racking' as his breaking. I believe BD
published an article about Cory's ability to rack so his
opponents can not make a ball.
That's why a 'smart' player will pay attention to lessor
players too. You can learn from better players and
from lessor players. Granted, the lessor player might
not have a 'grasp' of the mechanics of what they are
doing, but an upper player will catch onto it, practice
it, and use it if it benefits him or her.
As far as 'private' matches for Cory, I hear he wins them
as much on his 'racking' as his breaking. I believe BD
published an article about Cory's ability to rack so his
opponents can not make a ball.
Snapshot9 said:
Interesting you should say that. Last night, I played a league match against a guy, giving him 7 on 12. I just came off a similar match where I tore right through him and expected similar results. He kept slugging me only, I couldn't figure out where the slug was. The top balls were frozen. Anyway, as a result, many object balls were hanging around the 9-ball and this guy who couldn't run a table to save his life, ended up comboing the nine in four times. His racking had a direct impact on the match since even if I never made a ball, a typical spread probably would have taken away all combos.
Tbeaux said:
Hey
The breaks are legal under the rules we use (APA nine ball and house / player agreed rules at the home hall), I'm just not hammering everything all over the place. We almost always play nine ball. I never have an issue with the number of balls contacting rails (short of miscueing, which I don't do more than anybody else - less than many, actually).
OTOH, I haven't heard anyone mention the number of balls crossing center table, at all. Do you have more info on that?
Thanks,
Mary