The Brits are coming! (Snooker debate part 2!)

chrstc said:
Hi,
I'm a huge Steve Knight fan so I can fill in a few blanks for you! Steve won the World Pool League in 2000 beating Francisco Bustamante in the final and the winner of the previous 2 WPL titles, Jim Rempe, in the semis. Given the calibre of players involved (Ralf Souquet and Niels Feijen were both involved as well as I remember) that was definitely something.
Steve's best WPC finish is the same as the other English Steve (Steve Davis). He was a quarter finalist in 2000. I can only hope that we get the chance to see him back at the Worlds someday.

Steve taught Imran, Raj and Tony Drago the basics of pool and that's why he's always talked about as the father of the US pool scene here. Apparently he was the first Brit to own a Predator 314 too!

Hope this helps,
Chris (Chrstc).

Thanks mate, so in summary best Brit records to date are...

WPC 9 Ball: 1/4 Final Davis and Knight
WPL: Knight
WPM: Hundal and Drago (honory Brit of course)
EuroTour: Majid 2 / Fulcher 1
US Open: Appleton 5th
IPT: Peach/Hill/Boyes/Appleton latter stages

Prob missed heaps but thanks for info
 
Karl Boyes won a WPC Manila qualifier place last week by the way, so he'll be there this year.
 
TheOne said:
Thanks mate, so in summary best Brit records to date are...

WPC 9 Ball: 1/4 Final Davis and Knight
WPL: Knight
WPM: Hundal and Drago (honory Brit of course)
EuroTour: Majid 2 / Fulcher 1
US Open: Appleton 5th
IPT: Peach/Hill/Boyes/Appleton latter stages

Prob missed heaps but thanks for info

EuroTour: Majid 2 / Fulcher 1 (Honoury Swiss of course ;) )/ Peach 1
 
TheOne said:
Does this show that it really is easier to convert to pool from Snooker than visa versa?

Discuss...

:)

Like others who have already responded, I think this question is beyond doubt at this point.

Because of the distances (6x12), the small pockets, and the small balls in snooker, as well as the scoring system which emphasizes potting as many shots as possible and deemphasizes restraint, having a sniper-rifle-esque directional control of the CB coming off the cue is just absolutely essential. You have to be able to hit the CB within an infinitessimal fraction of a degree of directional margin of error, over and over again with extreme consistency, to rise to the top of snooker. To develop that ability, they start working at a very young age (younger than 10 is the norm, from what I understand) on an ideal set of fundamentals, which are purpose-built for accuracy.

Pool players, with very few exceptions, do not expend that kind of effort on accuracy of CB direction, because it is a less crucial factor in pool. Manouvering the ball in and out of tight position zones, powering the ball up and down table, precise speed control off 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 rails when the situation requires it, and breaking clusters while simultaneously playing position, are all skills pool players focus more on than caring whether their CB hit the OB a quarter of a millimeter to one side or another from where they intended, because in pool that quarter of a millimeter is not going to make or break them.

Anyway, my point is that there is a skill that's absolutely crucial to snooker that needs to be developed early in life, that very very few pool players have. Pool does not have, in my opinion, any one skill that if you're a little tiny bit deficient in that area, you have no hope to compete. Therefore, snooker players can parlay their great potting ability and excellent control of english (even if not for the same kind of positional routes you find in pool), into a highly competitive pool game. Pool players, no matter how good they get at controlling the cluster of reds, playing safeties to baulk, or ensuring good angles on the black, are invariably going to be held back by some accuracy deficiency they didn't eradicate from their stroke when they were 7 years old, and get beaten by the myriad snooker players who did.

-Andrew
 
billbOK said:
EuroTour: Majid 2 / Fulcher 1 (Honoury Swiss of course ;) )/ Peach 1

I thought Peach had only finished runner up? :confused:

Andrew great post, good luck Karl!
 
billbOK said:
No he beat Dimitri Jungo in the final of the 2007 German Open (Sindelfingen).

Agh cool, 3 Brit Winners then! :)

Whats Tony C best result in USA btw?
 
Andrew Manning said:
Like others who have already responded, I think this question is beyond doubt at this point.

Because of the distances (6x12), the small pockets, and the small balls in snooker, as well as the scoring system which emphasizes potting as many shots as possible and deemphasizes restraint, having a sniper-rifle-esque directional control of the CB coming off the cue is just absolutely essential. You have to be able to hit the CB within an infinitessimal fraction of a degree of directional margin of error, over and over again with extreme consistency, to rise to the top of snooker. To develop that ability, they start working at a very young age (younger than 10 is the norm, from what I understand) on an ideal set of fundamentals, which are purpose-built for accuracy.

Pool players, with very few exceptions, do not expend that kind of effort on accuracy of CB direction, because it is a less crucial factor in pool. Manouvering the ball in and out of tight position zones, powering the ball up and down table, precise speed control off 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 rails when the situation requires it, and breaking clusters while simultaneously playing position, are all skills pool players focus more on than caring whether their CB hit the OB a quarter of a millimeter to one side or another from where they intended, because in pool that quarter of a millimeter is not going to make or break them.

Anyway, my point is that there is a skill that's absolutely crucial to snooker that needs to be developed early in life, that very very few pool players have. Pool does not have, in my opinion, any one skill that if you're a little tiny bit deficient in that area, you have no hope to compete. Therefore, snooker players can parlay their great potting ability and excellent control of english (even if not for the same kind of positional routes you find in pool), into a highly competitive pool game. Pool players, no matter how good they get at controlling the cluster of reds, playing safeties to baulk, or ensuring good angles on the black, are invariably going to be held back by some accuracy deficiency they didn't eradicate from their stroke when they were 7 years old, and get beaten by the myriad snooker players who did.

-Andrew
I think this post sums it all. Great post.
 
jsp said:
I think this post sums it all. Great post.

It was a great post jsp. Andrew summed up the reasons why I argued in the infamous Snooker v Pool thread that a pool player couldn't convert to Snooker and compete.

This is not to say that if Efren had picked up a snooker cue at the age of 7 he wouldn't have become the greatest Snooker player ever to have lived.

But IMHO if he practiced for the next 10 years Snooker only he wouldn't be able to break into the elite because he wouldn't have what ever other elite Snooker player has - a misspent youth with a Snooker cue!
 
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