The difference between cue cost etc

TheThaiger

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Firstly, I'm from the UK, where there are NO decent cue makers or even retailers. I have ZERO opportunity to try out dozens of different makes and models, so have to try and piece together what I'm after by reading reviews from sites like this, then order via the net. It isn't easy.

I don't have much money at the moment, so need to get this right first time. Resale value's not a priority (no market in UK) , nor is construction, guarantee or where it's produced. I couldn't care less what it looks like - I want to a cue that monsters the balls, not one that makes my opponents swoon.

Anyway, I'd be grateful for some comments on the following questions - I realise this is not an exact science and opinion will vary to personal taste.

1. Will a basic entry level cue in a certain range PLAY the same as one costing three times that price? In other words, is the cost difference generally due to decoration and other cosmetics?

2. Similarly, what about shafts? If I'm looking at buying a Pechauer, for instance, is the shaft going to be the same for every cue they make, irrespective of price? Or do cheap cues get crap shafts and expensive cues fantastic shafts?

3. Is the butt just a bit of wood, or is it integral to how a cue plays? Is it worth paying more for ebony, or rings, wraps, or inlays, or anything else that seems to cost more?

4. Which joint gives a solid hit? I've only played with SS on my current el cheapo banger and an implex, which was too soft for my tastes.

5. Balance - my current cue is more butt heavy, whereas my old viking was front balanced, which I got used to after time, but didn't particularly like. So, how do you know how a particular cue is going to be balanced?

6. How do custom cues compare to production cues? I realise they'll be probably better constructed etc, but what is the difference in terms of HIT? Are they guaranteed to hit better? I know this is subjective and dependent on personal preference, but will i actually shoot better with a custom?

7. Can I haggle over a production cue priced, say, $400? Is there wriggle room with online retailers? Am I right is thinking I can definitely haggle over a custom?

Finally, I'm planning on spending up to $450, but am quite keen to spend a lot less if possible, so bang for buck is more important than looks, status or anything else. I like quite a firm hit, so guess a SS joint is most likely. I'm swaying between an entry level Pechauer or Joss (around $160-$200), or the cheapest Mezz or Schon ($350-450), but could be tempted by a custom like a Frey SP at $350ish.

So, will the entry level Pechs/Joss costing 200 bucks play the same as all singing and all dancing Pech/Joss's costing 600 bucks? Will $350-450 Mezz/Schon's play the same as Mezz/Schon's costing $600-1000?
 
well im no expert but i have hit with alot of cues...contact a well know cuemaker,,,judd,varney,bcm,stacy,josey,pat diveney.ect...any of them will take the time to help out out in a cue that is perfect for YOU..no1 else...(ive talked to josey and his wife great people and have emailed the rest i listed all great that will help you)stay away from production if you can help it they are designed for a wide range of players,thats not to ay they are bad cues at all..you just get more personal service with a custom maker...hope this helps..good luck!!!....jerry......

right now i play with a dale perry that i got on ebay for 140 bucks and i looove it...ive owned, dpk,southwest,joe gold,stacy,mcdaniel,josey,stacy,jim buss,pechauer,dp,steve kline,murry tucker,joss,hubler,viking,chuck starky,scruggs.barhart,they have all been great..but the dpk,southwest,joe gold and barnhart have played the best for me....with cory barnhart being the best i think and that was a cheap 5point cue i got on ebay for 375!!!...and sold like a total idiot...take your time and im postive you will find what you want...

BTW WELCOME TO AZ!!!
 
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Thanks for that. The trouble is i can't test hit any cues, so don't really know what I want, so having one built to my exact specification isn't impossible - I just don't have enough experience of testing lots of cues to get a flavour of what I'm after.

I know in general terms - stiffer rather than softer, back balanced rather than front, but I'm struggling after that, which leads me back to a production cue as it'll probably be more uniform. And if I do choose a production cue, is very cheap going to play the same as very expensive?
 
from what i tried yes...a higer priced production cue is only higer price cuz of the inlays and wood used...from what i can tell...i guess if you cant hit with cues trial and error is your only bet....get some stuff from the great people on here or ebay...you'll save some money and can buy/sell without getting hurt..happy hunting
 
pmcues

Ive got a deal for you! I'll send you two cues. you hit with both of them and you can get an idea of what you might like. no charge. One is a custom cue, the other is a full splice. you pay the shipping is all I ask!
 
Ive got a deal for you! I'll send you two cues. you hit with both of them and you can get an idea of what you might like. no charge. One is a custom cue, the other is a full splice. you pay the shipping is all I ask!

Tempting! How do you know I won't just keep them? ;)
 
You might also try sending a PM to a member on this forum whose moniker is 'thediamond'. He is located in the UK, and is a collector there...he has all sorts of cues and you never know what he may or may not let you try out.

Lisa
 
Here's a cue maker (including pool cues) in the UK: http://www.cues-glover.co.uk/

A couple of fairly expensive ones are for sale on AZB now in this thread: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=192881, but (from the web site) it looks like they start at a much lower price.

I've not had a good look at that site but I'd imagine the pool cues they make are for UK pool, which is a million miles away from 9 ball pool. Cues for that game are essentially snooker cues.

Trust me, there is absolutely no access to decent 9 ball cues in the UK.
 
I'm still fairly new at the custom cue market as well. But from my experience all the custom makers make great hitting cues. But the plus of a custom is you can taylor it to you liking. joint type, wood types, wrap type, pin type, length, weight, balance, ferrels, tips.

Now I know you don't have access to trying different things out so like another poster said shop around for Plain Jane cues on this forum. you'll get great deals and will be able to resell the cue for a slight loss or break even or even trade for something else. Unfortunutly this is really the only way to find out what you want.

I too have the same issue of not being able to try out thing. Not due to location but due to the fact I work so damn much and really don't get the chance to experiment the way I would like. the little time I get out I just want to play.

However with that said, I'm now making time to experiment a little more. and look for good deals on different makers and differnt joints/ferrels, and such. I made the mistake of ordering a custom cue and spending a crazy amount of money because I wanted a cue that I designed and looked great. now the problem is I got it with Ivory ferrels, joint 13mm tips and slightly heavier than I was used to because I thought that's what I wanted. and got all the ivory only because I see a lot of the customs with it. Turns out I don't care much for ivory joints or ferrels.

Needless to say my favorite cue was a $99 Star Series McDermott that I bought just to have while this cue was being made and my other was getting redone. I miss that cue it played amazing.

SO that's a perfect example that cost really doesn't matter. It's all about feel. Like you already know noone can tell YOU that ths is best and this is better than that. You have to try it for yourself. and you have to give it a little time to adjust and get comfortable. B4 you can say you don't like it. Which I too have done. I have also not liked a cue simple on looks. Big mistake. The ugliest cue in the world can be the winning feel for you.

With that said My personally designed rediculously expensive cue is now back at the maker making adjustments to the tip and shaft size to see if I can find that magic combination. Until then I'm still trolling these boards looking for something else that strikes me and at a good price as to try it out. Worst thing that can happen is that I don't like it and resell it. But, at least I tried it.

Currently looking for a Nitti. A guy on my 9 ball team shoots with one and I got to hit a few balls and it felt great. And needless to say everything about that cue is differnt than mine.

This is a long process, very frustrating, tedious and can get expensive. But, most people on these boards with 10's 20's 30's + year experience in the billiard room are still experimenting with. So be patient and try to pick things you like and try to stick with them with variations of simple things like balance, weight, joint material, tips and ferrels, as to find certain woods you like, certain wrap materials, Balance, etc. you can start narrowing down you likes/dislikes and then once you get comfortable you can get your favorite maker to make something with all of your likes and try that out.(NOT LIKE WHAT I DID) And EVEN THEN with all your likes you may find that it doesn't work all together. and then you got to try a different combo.

Good luck and welcome to the boards.

Sorry for the long post but, I hope I helped,
Rob
 
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