The Difference between Winning and Beating people

RunoutJJ

RunoutJJ

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I find it very annoying at times to hear people say things like... "Yeah I beat em.. Gave me the 7 and the 8 with two on the wire and I cooked him 9-5!!"

Now.. To me playing a man straight up and wining said bet or wager is BEATING them..

Winning against somebody is technically beating them but you had a spot or a handicap to even the scales. So, again, technically you won but you didnt beat them like you would like to say..

I know that most people on here are gonna say there isnt a difference but i find if you look really close at this you may see it my way..


Thoughts..... :)
 
RunoutJJ said:
I find it very annoying at times to hear people say things like... "Yeah I beat em.. Gave me the 7 and the 8 with two on the wire and I cooked him 9-5!!"

Now.. To me playing a man straight up and wining said bet or wager is BEATING them..

Winning against somebody is technically beating them but you had a spot or a handicap to even the scales. So, again, technically you won but you didnt beat them like you would like to say..

I know that most people on here are gonna say there isnt a difference but i find if you look really close at this you may see it my way..


Thoughts..... :)
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it's an EGO thing....if it bothers you to hear it, then they have BEATEN you more than once :p

No biggee, someone's gotta win and someone's gotta lose, sometimes the role is reversed and the lesser play will win. That lesser player will remember the one time he won even if he loses the next 20 times....let him say what he wants :wink:
 
I agree completely.

You may win using a handicap but
you haven't beaten him until you
prevail without a handicap.

JMO
 
Exactlly!! Im very proud to say I "BEAT" Billy Palmer even up!! I never made a mistake and I barely won 5-4. Thank god for the alternating break format or it could've have turned out very differently :lol:
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
Beating: not allowing your opponent to shoot more than you at the table.
Winning: the act of not losing the match.
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nah....

beating - Chris Brown
winning - Charlie Sheen

pool players are SO sensitive when it comes to what someone else says about the outcome of a match. lol
 
Ask any racer, any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile; winning's winning.

Its all perspective tho.

When given weight, its more correct to say you beat him, as in you out ran the spot.

If I gave someone weight and they said they won, I would say you didn't win you just beat me to the line.

Regardless , if you didn't 'win' , you lost AND you got beat. :)
 
RunoutJJ said:
Very good point but I was referring to playing somebody even and/or with a spot...
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Even if you are getting a spot from somebody, they are under the impression that the spot they are giving you is still one ball better than you can currently run. Let's say, Player X is Player Y in 9 ball, a race to 21, X is spotting Y 2 balls and 4 games. If player Y wins 21-19, he didn't beat X. He won, but he didn't beat him. The spot did.

Also, winner or alternating break?
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
Even if you are getting a spot from somebody, they are under the impression that the spot they are giving you is still one ball better than you can currently run. Let's say, Player X is Player Y in 9 ball, a race to 21, X is spotting Y 2 balls and 4 games. If player Y wins 21-19, he didn't beat X. He won, but he didn't beat him. The spot did.

Also, winner or alternating break?
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lol, you are assuming the spot won in the situation above. Maybe player Y doesn't even need a spot and is stringing X along....lol, it doesn't matter. It's just wording, won, beat, lost, annihilated...whatever...semantics
 
trustyrusty said:
lol, you are assuming the spot won in the situation above. Maybe player Y doesn't even need a spot and is stringing X along....lol, it doesn't matter. It's just wording, won, beat, lost, annihilated...whatever...semantics
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Well in the situation I described, If Y doesn't need the spot, why did X have 19 games? Seems to much cockiness from Y to allow X that close to winning when playing 9 Ball.:rolleyes:
 
Hits 'em Hard said:
Even if you are getting a spot from somebody, they are under the impression that the spot they are giving you is still one ball better than you can currently run. Let's say, Player X is Player Y in 9 ball, a race to 21, X is spotting Y 2 balls and 4 games. If player Y wins 21-19, he didn't beat X. He won, but he didn't beat him. The spot did.

Also, winner or alternating break?
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Ahahahahaha I knew this topic would go in this direction....


OK.. Winning a match with a spot is not beating somebody. Even if the spot is what caused the better player to lose it still does not constitute or would been considered BEATING them.


Dance muppets :lol:
 
To me, winning is the outcome of a match; while beating is a winning outcome where the winner had simply crushed the opponent.

That is: winning means you simply won.
Beating means you won with a big time crushing defeat.
 
MitchAlsup said:
To me, winning is the outcome of a match; while beating is a winning outcome where the winner had simply crushed the opponent.

That is: winning means you simply won.
Beating means you won with a big time crushing defeat.
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I agree with this philosophy.

If I clearly control the match, without question, then I beat him.

If I managed the match, stayed out of trouble and/or my opponent screwed up at the wrong time, I won.

Regardless of handicap or spot.
 
there are three outcomes when 2 people play: you win, you lose, or you break even. If you are gambling, then you reach one of these outcomes by who has the most money. that's how you keep score: you do that with money.

to address the need for getting or giving a spot is bs. i personally have been on the receiving end of large spots and i have gotten my brains beat out. it was no more of a loss because i got a spot, it was just a loss. if i had won, it would have been just a win, no more or less.

in pool, matching up, making the game even for both players, is an intergral part of the game and a much needed skill for determining if you have a good or bad game. it is not only necessary, but can be very advantageous. i guess you could wait and play only those players even. no matter of the skill level, but if you clean someone's clock playing them even when that player should be getting a spot is your win not considered a win? i think not.

so don't hate the player if he wins, just smile, shake his hand, and say "we need to adjust that spot." another thing, one should learn to not care what the rail says. spend your time working on your game and becoming a gentleman. nuff said.
 
The quality of the win matters to me. This is why I will only play straight up. Playing straight up and winning is a pure win, nothing was given to me in order to help me win.

Winning when someone rattles the game ball and leaving it in front of the pocket for me is not a real quality win in my eyes.

Winning when your opponent ran down to the 8, missed and left you safe for your shot and you still had all your balls on the table is a quality win.

I also prefer to play multiple long sets to help even out the rolls and helps with the hot and cold type of players.

I have seen the swelled up chest of a player that beat me in a handicap, one short race set local tourney.

I have also seen that same chest deflate when we played straight up and longer race sets.
 
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