The IPT came so close

jjinfla said:
Well cuetique, if with all that money he put into the game it still couldn't work, then there is absolutely no hope for pool at all.

Are you telling me that right up until that fatefull Sunday when the players were not paid it didn't look good? If you are saying that, then you are an out and out fool. Up until then that was the best deal in town. The best production ever. With the most goodies thrown in. Then the self-fullfilling prophecy took over.

I disagree with both of these points. Even before the non-payment, a lot of things didn't look good. There was a lot of controversy from the very beginning, and the "naysayers" were naysaying long before the non-payment. Even non-naysayers were generally cautiously optimistic at best, on one hand the cash was great, on the other hand something didn't feel right.

In fact, except for the huge sums of money KT was putting in, there wasn't all that much else that looked great about the IPT. Of course, the money goes a long way, and the tournaments were first-class and the purses were big, and that was great. On the other hand, the way he snubbed his nose at the pool world, the fact the he chose to be one of the announcers of TV broadcasts, the fact that he didn't seem to know that much about the game of pool or it's history, and his general arrogance were there from the beginning. There were a lot of issues, and they were debated to no end on this board.

But the big thing going for the IPT was the sheer volume of cash he was putting in. I think that someone more competent and knowledgeable and honest could have done wonders with the financial resources he put in. And, I continue to believe that pool can thrive.

I'm not saying money's not important for something like this, it obviously is. I just object to the idea that the IPT is some sort of "test case" that proves that even with big money invested pool can't succeed. I tend to agree with Blackjack that pool needs to grow from within, cultivate "real fans" and get industry backing, and then look to a larger audience only after there is already a marketable product in the form of a major league national pool tour. That is, make a great pool tour and then televise it, rather than making a TV production first and a pool tour second, as KT has approached it.
 
rackmsuckr said:
The cloth and balls were DIFFERENT, but I would not classify any of it as junk! As far as the tables, they are the epitome of what tables should be...the gold standard for professionals. The rack was so much better than their old model. The chalk is great! All of the equipment was selected for their merit and believed to be the best of the best. I don't think any of the people stringing 6 packs had any problem with it. :rolleyes:

Didn't the players say the balls you could actually feel the numbers on them and they didn't roll straight? The IPT didn't develop the Diamond table and can't take any credit for it's quality. The cloth, lets face it, was an un-sellable product. They never did get any DVD's to market except for a couple they over charged for.

Didn't they way back try to sell the KOTH DVD set for like $1000? How many of those do you think they sold? This was money that was to go to you, the players and they stumbled from the very start. Please, at some point you are going to have to be objectively honest, at least with yourself. There was nothing wrong with the players getting on board, but it was a ship to nowhere with a caption who didn't have a clue.
 
ineedaspot said:
I disagree with both of these points. Even before the non-payment, a lot of things didn't look good. There was a lot of controversy from the very beginning, and the "naysayers" were naysaying long before the non-payment. Even non-naysayers were generally cautiously optimistic at best, on one hand the cash was great, on the other hand something didn't feel right.

In fact, except for the huge sums of money KT was putting in, there wasn't all that much else that looked great about the IPT. Of course, the money goes a long way, and the tournaments were first-class and the purses were big, and that was great. On the other hand, the way he snubbed his nose at the pool world, the fact the he chose to be one of the announcers of TV broadcasts, the fact that he didn't seem to know that much about the game of pool or it's history, and his general arrogance were there from the beginning. There were a lot of issues, and they were debated to no end on this board.

But the big thing going for the IPT was the sheer volume of cash he was putting in. I think that someone more competent and knowledgeable and honest could have done wonders with the financial resources he put in. And, I continue to believe that pool can thrive.

I'm not saying money's not important for something like this, it obviously is. I just object to the idea that the IPT is some sort of "test case" that proves that even with big money invested pool can't succeed. I tend to agree with Blackjack that pool needs to grow from within, cultivate "real fans" and get industry backing, and then look to a larger audience only after there is already a marketable product in the form of a major league national pool tour. That is, make a great pool tour and then televise it, rather than making a TV production first and a pool tour second, as KT has approached it.


Thank you! More signs of intelligent life in the pool universe. Actually, there is more brain power on here than all the IPT brain trust could muster. Of course, that isn't saying much.
 
They've been after KT for years. He's the biggest huckster in the US. Bottom line is what PT Barnum said about a century ago.

And for anybody to think the tour came even close to succeeding, I'd suggest they'd re-evaluate. Macguy couldn't be anymore right. They gave away dreams, promises and some seed money.

I wrote about KT back in July. I'm shocked and sad at the same time.
(http://www.grabers.com/library/kbase/archives/2006/07/kt_and_the_grea.php
 
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