The Jump Shot
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Think jumping should be against the rules ? Play snooker :thumbup:
And as for golf, it is interesting to understand the old (pre-1952) concept of being "stymied".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stymie
:lol: jump shots on a golf green :thumbup: :lol:
Dave
And as for golf, it is interesting to understand the old (pre-1952) concept of being "stymied".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stymie
:lol: jump shots on a golf green :thumbup: :lol:
Dave
Not gonna read all this nonsense.
Full cue jumps only! Any idiot can use a "jump cue" to at least get a hit, takes no skill whatsoever.
Whoever let these toys into the first game should never be allowed to play again. I'm guessing they couldn't play much anyway.
Can't believe we're still discussing this crap after all these years - BAN JUMP CUES and use a full cue - the same one you are shooting with.
I wouldn't even mind banning break cues. You get ONE cue to play with period unless a tip comes off then change shafts.
Jason
Full cue jumps only! Any idiot can use a "jump cue" to at least get a hit, takes no skill whatsoever.
Whoever let these toys into the first game should never be allowed to play again. I'm guessing they couldn't play much anyway.
Can't believe we're still discussing this crap after all these years - BAN JUMP CUES and use a full cue - the same one you are shooting with.
I wouldn't even mind banning break cues. You get ONE cue to play with period unless a tip comes off then change shafts.
Jason
I disagree.
What happens is that playing safe becomes harder and more delicate to get the CB into a position where the jump cue is not viable.
Exactly, the safe becomes a lot harder than the escape. In a situation where I had a razor delicate safe to play and the percentage was not high that I'd snooker my opponent where he couldn't jump, and I knew my opponent was the jump-master, I might probably be better off mashing the OB into the 9 and slop something in.
buckets said:
I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that you got someone making a razor thin cut on the OB, go two or three rails to snooker your opponent behind a small cluster, and your opponent takes out a jump cue because they have the shag felt on the table and jumps out of scratching, or even pockets the OB. On lower level tournaments I think that's fine, but for the highest levels of competition I think they should use slicker cloths to at least make it a little tougher, or at least not make reaching for a jump cue a reflex action when there is as little as a 1/4" gap. If the artistic billiards guys can do it on their slick-cloth heated tables, then the upper echelon pool players could do it with lighter balls. At least it wouldn't be a "gimme" for them.
Again, I'm not against it, just against making it easy for the pros, almost seemingly on purpose.
jc said:
Yeah, but do you play the ghost for money?
One could paly position with only center, center draw, and center follow. But what I think differentiates (and maybe elevates) our game from darts, bocce, horseshoes, or whatever, is that we can effectively use side-spin as well on the cue ball, to effect shots that would be impossible without it. Even soccer players discovered this, and make some of the craziest curved goals I've ever seen.
Ralph Kramden said:
Well, as I mentioned, they could get rid of the carpet many places that have these signs use for felt, and it would be very difficult for any but a few to jump a shot. You see on the weekends - there are many young players that jump their cue off the tables because they have a tendency to jack the butt end up when they shoot near a rail or such, and always strike the cue ball hard. Combined with them holding the cue forward, and the thicker cloth, they inadvertently jump the cue ball. The side benefit is that the more expensive cloth won't tear as easily.
Then lets all just play with one cue. one tip one brand of chalk.
Pat Fleming is often credited with introducing dedicated jump cues. You know him right? Hall of Famer, world class professional player in his day, creator of AccuStats....
Then there was Sammy Jones, also pro player, husband of then Loree Jon Jones, who made the Meucci jump cue famous.
Oh and Earl Strickland....yeah he had a "jump cue" as well... a shortened version of his regular cue. He would switch to it when he had a jump shot and everyone thought he was doing full cue jump shots.
Yeah any idiot can jump a ball and any idiot can spin the cue ball. But not every idiot can do what they are supposed to consistently with a jump cue or a chalked leather tip.
Maybe we should just all go back to the conditions from 1850. That was clearly the best time in billiards history....all these modern newfangled gadgets have just made this game so easy that any idiot can play it at championship levels. Real players use maces.
