The N.U.T.S.

Wow, this thread has taken a lot of twists and turns! :eek:

The NUTS concept is brand new to some of us, and it seems like it would make sense to wait and hear what Mike Janis and a few others have to say when they return from Vegas.

It doesn't help to prejudge something before it even comes to fruition. There are some things that have to be ironed out.

One thing I would like to see discussed by the powers-that-be in the coming days would be a set of unified rules. Personally, I do not like the breaker racking their own balls, but that's just me. There are others who may think differently and can justify the pros and cons.

Buddy Hall told me last year that he thinks the loser-breaks format would be a good one in some venues.

Keith McCready likes the alternate break format, which is currently being used by the UPA, as it ensures that each player will get a chance at the table.

Two bucks seems very reasonable to me as far as NUTS tax.

Although it has not been mentioned in this thread, one of my favorite regional tours is the Joss Northeast 9-Ball Tour, run by Mike Zuglan, which covers the Northeastern part of the United States.

I'm going to take a wait-and-see stance. With the expertise of Janis, Tucker, Griffin, et al., many of the questions will be answered in due time. Each tour director has encountered all the associated problems that crop up in running a regional tour. Collectively, they may be able to create something which will be attractive and doable. So, in sum, I look forward to reading about the end result, not speculation at this point!

JMHO, FWIW! :p

JAM
 
No threat intended Kay. Not at all. I just meant more paperwork for you.

Ross, Otto, Tucker, Elvis all play in a small $5 9-ball non-handicap tournament at a local bar here in town and no one cares. It's fun trying to beat them. And the locals do, on a regular basis. Anything can happen in a race to 3. They will most likely be there this afternoon (2pm) but I will be at Bankshot for the benefit for the cancer victim form the APA.

You might want to contact Doc's Place in Belleview and see if he wants to hold one of your events. But there are only 9 Olhousen 9 footers and no liquor, only beer and wine. And limited parking.

That might be too small for the 75+ turnout your stops have been getting.

Jake
 
jjinfla said:
No threat intended Kay. Not at all. I just meant more paperwork for you.

Ross, Otto, Tucker, Elvis all play in a small $5 9-ball non-handicap tournament at a local bar here in town and no one cares. It's fun trying to beat them. And the locals do, on a regular basis. Anything can happen in a race to 3. They will most likely be there this afternoon (2pm) but I will be at Bankshot for the benefit for the cancer victim form the APA.

You might want to contact Doc's Place in Belleview and see if he wants to hold one of your events. But there are only 9 Olhousen 9 footers and no liquor, only beer and wine. And limited parking.

That might be too small for the 75+ turnout your stops have been getting.

Jake
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Jake,
Thanks for the input I'll check on Doc's place. I may have to make it a two day event with only 9 tables but who knows what will come up. Most of the players I have are not big drinkers anyway so the liquor is not an issue
All those guys are great people. Hope you do good at the benefit. Tell Mike I said hi and will see him soon.
Kay
 
jjinfla said:
Next question:

So then how can people be forced to donate $2 to a non-existing organization? If I, or Gremlin, or anyone, want to play in a tournament, but care less about NUTS, then why should we be forced to donate money to them?


Jake
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Please explain how force is being used against anyone.

Thank you,

Jeff Livingston
 
KBP said:
. At this point in my tournaments I wish I had the time to play again but I bust butt to keep expanding and growing this sport. Kay
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tap tap tap

There's a BIG hint in this post. Anybody guess what it is?

Jeff Livingston
 
jjinfla said:
So then how can people be forced to donate $2 to a non-existing organization? If I, or Gremlin, or anyone, want to play in a tournament, but care less about NUTS, then why should we be forced to donate money to them? Jake
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Just like most everything else in America, you have a CHOICE. Freedom is a beautiful thing. (just don't forget it's not free) Anyway, should you or Gremilin hopefully decide that you don't want to participate, you don't have to. There's plenty of pool rooms out there that have weekly and monthly inhouse tournamnets ran by the pool room. No one said you have to play in the tournaments in the NUTS system. It's that simple.... You seem to be fairly distraught about the whole thing... I'm surprised you haven't haven't already vowed not to play in any tournament that has anything to do with the NUTS system. Might I suggest you do that? You dislike the idea so much and that $2 dollars is going to hurt your wallet so much, why don't you make a vow to yourself to not have anything to do with it? No more stress for you, and no more woe is me over this whole thing posts for us. :rolleyes:
 
chefjeff said:
tap tap tap

There's a BIG hint in this post. Anybody guess what it is?

Jeff Livingston
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I don't know what you are implying but I work hard to have good events that people enjoy.
Kay
 
Superstroke said:
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CHEERS TO THAT ONE BABY!!!!!
oh yeah....did i forget to mention...CHEERS
wait wait wait..........CHEERS!
CHEERIO?!?!?
We bring you this special news bulletin.................CHEERS!

GIVE ME A C............................C (THE CROWD)
GIVE ME AN H...........................H
GIVE ME AN E...........................E
GIVE ME ANOTHER E..................E
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WHAT'S THAT SPELL.............
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What's your problem with Cheers?

Cheers,
Regas
 
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sixpack said:
What's your problem with Cheers?

Cheers,
Regas
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I don't have any problem with cheers.
I've watched him flip out numerous times on this forum, and it always struck me funny how he could attack and insult everyone, and then have CHEERS at the end of it all before his name.

kind of like...(example) "You worthless piece of junk!!!! DROP DEAD!!!!!...have a nice day"


Superstroke
 
landshark77 said:
Jake, if you would pull your head outta your butt you would know that picture has been posted on this message board several times. Glad to see that you pay attention to what is going on. No wonder you are so knowledgeable. :rolleyes:
And please don't even try to play like you are in this picture. You are the only dog...however, an alpha you are not. :eek:
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Landshark and Timberly,

You guys remind me of an old song, "You only hurt the one you really love"

Or should I be thinking of Basic Instinct and a silk scarf?

Now, now, be nice. Remember you are ladies.

Jacob
 
Superstroke said:
I don't have any problem with cheers.
I've watched him flip out numerous times on this forum, and it always struck me funny how he could attack and insult everyone, and then have CHEERS at the end of it all before his name.

kind of like...(example) "You worthless piece of junk!!!! DROP DEAD!!!!!...have a nice day"


Superstroke
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Hmmm...Thanks for explaining :) I hadn't noticed that he did that, may have to rethink my signoff...

Cheers,
Regas
 
landshark77 said:
Oh Jacob, yes, I am a lady....I am just wondering where the man is. :rolleyes: He's not here, LOL!
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Well if you would spend less time on this stupid computer and be out in the real world you would find one. Probably several. A young girl like you should be out having fun on Friday and Saturday nights not talking to a stupid computer. All you will get from the computer is a fat butt.

You need a serious attitude adjustment. The world does not hate you. Nor do I. But then I can't say I like you either. Just a neutral felling I guess. And DC that picture of you and Sarah. It sure does her no good. Looks like you just pulled her away from some bar. Or, is that your intention? Does Barnhart really want to be associated with the image in that picture? You have probably done her irreparable harm.

Go find a job and do something useful with your life. Marry the boss and have 2.1 kids and don't let them anywhere near a pool room.

Jake
 
KBP said:
I don't know what you are implying but I work hard to have good events that people enjoy.
Kay
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Hi Kay,

Here's what I am implying: You put aside your playing, your game, to work harder at creating things other people enjoy AND PAY FOR. Your decision is, to me, a wonderful example of helping the sport, even if it means your personal game slipped somewhat.

Sacrifice? Nah...sounds more like a good trade-off to me, but I don't know you.

I'd be interested to know your motivation for doing this, and what you expect your efforts to create.

Thanks,

Jeff Livingston
 
Please see the new thread titles... The NUTS - Mike Janis' - Responses

Copy of my 1st post in the thread below.


Thank You Everyone For Your Inspiring Posts on AZ !!! :-)

I just got back from the BCA (Billiard Congress of America) Trade Show. I started to read over all the posts but couldn't finish at this time. However, in the next few days I will read over each and every post in the other (1st) The N.U.T.S. thread and respond to each and every question as best possible.

Some things everyone should know.......

1. I have been working on the N.U.T.S. for about 2 years and me and the other regional tour operators are very capable of pulling off the entire system.

2. After talking with many billiard industry VIP's. I learned they are also very interested in the concept and they are willing to further discuss their participation.

3. The N.U.T.S. is already working. The regional tours mentioned in the Press Release are involved and I am still negotiating with other tours. The N.U.T.S. will start on specified dates on each regional tour. The dates will be announced later this week.

4. This will be a huge undertaking and it wouldn't be possible without a lot of help and support from the other regional tours and their respective operators, or as many say, "the TD's".

At this time I would like to thank......And let everyone know that this is a combined effort by the following...........

Nick Prinslo and Cici from - The PLANET-POOL TOUR
Planet-Pool was the 1st tour that comitted to this system and it wouldn't be possible without all the past discusions, encouragement and help from Nick.
(Note to Nick - I may have a surprise for you very soon.)

Jose "JAB" Burgos from - The HAMPTON RIDGE TOUR
Jab's faith in my ability and his love for our sport helped a lot in this new venture. When I asked him about joining all he said was, "If you are doing it, I'm in." (Note to JAB - It's not just me, it's we.)

Kay Higgins - from FURY CUES AMATEUR TOURS / KINGS BAY.
Kays hard work and devotion to the growth of our sport should be an inspiration to us all.

Without the above VIP's, the N.U.T.S. would never be possible.

My many THANK'S to everyone that stepped up and got involved in the future of our sport.


Respectfully,

Mike Janis
 
SUPERSTAR said:
Sounds like a fantastic idea.

Question.

If you manage to finish in the top 25% of the TV events. That means that you can no longer participate in the whole qualifying system right? You are just allowed to play in ALL the TV events?

AND... what happens if say, the first 25% is one group of people, and then say...the next 3 tournaments end up being a completely different 25% each tournament.

Wouldn't that fill up all the spots, or is there no limit on how many participate in the TV events?

Just wondering, even though i know that the likelyhood of this happening are basically nill, but you never know.

Good luck with it

SUPERSTAR
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Once you get to the TV events you may still comete in the local events but not the regional and national events.

Mj
 
vapoolplayer said:
i'd just like to take this moment to say mike janis kicks ass........... :D


looks like a GREAT IDEA..........hopefully all the regional tours as well as the UPA will jump on board.

VAP
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Thank You !

Next time you go to any of the regional tours that are not currently part of the NUTS, please encourage them to contact me and get on board.

Mj
 
frankncali said:
I like the tier concept but have a couple questions. Maybe someone can
help me a bit.
Whats a local level event? Which tour type?
Whats a regional level event? Tour ??

Local events are the current regional tour events.

Regional events will be held be eacg regional tour.

So to play in the Regional level you MUST first play in a local level event????

Yes.

What if there are not many near you? How many people would actually
be in this category.

There are many all over the place. Currently AZBilliards is the best place to find out were the events are.

Years ago I used to play the McDermott tour events that
were local out of support to the local rooms and have fun. I cashed very infrequently. Generally I had to take time from work to attend these. Now with local levels I wonder if people will have the time and money.
If you can go straight to the regional level then thats great. I would not want anyone going directly past this level however.
If you fail in one event to finish top 50% you have to return to the local level only- is this correct?

Yes.

The next level is spread out one per quarter per area. Thats good.
I take it this level is one step below the touring pro level.

I like how Mike has left it a bit open for all other tours and promotors to
get aboard. By playing in these events would that stop anyone from
playing in NON NUTS events.

No

Where does the money come from for the TV events?

Mostly Sponsors.

Do you have to join each tour or level with a membership fee? Or a fee to NUTS?

Eacg regional tour has their own tour card fee. The nuts fee is an overiding fee of only $2 each time you play in one of the local level events.

If you are on the local or regional train the events are only 1000 minimum events. Is there a vision of bigger dollar events on these levels.

We would like to see additional monies added to these events. However, it most likely wont happen until a larger corporate sponsor gets on board.

What if you qualify for the next level but dont want to go up? Can you stay
on the other level? Example-- Joe makes a regional level event and
finish top 50% but barely or solidly either way. Joe cant not afford to travel
as a pro but wants to play events. Can he continue to play on the regional
level. Does it just mean that he is eligible for the next level??

Joe or anyone does not have to advance if they don't want to. But they can't stay at events past the regional or national without requalifying after they have played in one of these events during their qualified time.

Also
If Joe makes the top tier but does not finish top 25% he has to start over.
Is this correct? Wouldn't that put very good players back in with the
lower level aspiring players trying to make it to the next level. Would that
take a guys top 5 or top 10 finish from him or worse a win away.

The above ststement is correct. It's the best we can do for now.

Would all players have to go through the qualifying or would NUTS and the
local operators get together and let the top players head to the top or at least a little higher level.

All players will have to go through the qualifying system. NO EXCEPTIONS !

Is this by quarter or by event? The percentages? If you make the Top level
or any level how many events do you get at that level? one?

ONE. You may choose which one you want to play in but you still only get to compete in one.

I think this is a good start and we will see who jumps on the wagon and
who does not. I think it needs some fine tuning but is a great start.
I am not a fan of the NUTS name or ACCOR hotels. The latter is a french owned corporation that I have dealt with in the past.
I do feel that this is closer to the expense level for many of the levels.

Accor Hotels or better know as RED ROOF INN is extending a 12% discount to anyone that stays at Red Roof Inns Nationawide that uses the NUTS CP code. They will also pay anb advertising comission to the NUTS for anyone that stays using that code.

The CP code is CP530832

Please use this code when checking into any RED ROOF INN location or when making your reservations.

With as many players participating on all the levels it seems like it would be easier to attract sponsors.
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That's the goal.
 
SUPERSTAR said:
The only other question that comes to my mind, would be, how do foreign players qualify?

Do they have to fly over here and qualify like in the WPBA?

SUPERSTAR
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Currently, coming here to play is the only way to qualify. Howevr, if you know of any foreign ours that want to join the NUTS please have them contact me at mikejanis@sbcglobal.net

Mj
 
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