The Palmer Bi-Centennial Cue FINALLY!

TATE

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I have to admit something and I hope that you all remain my good friends afterward.

I'm a fake, a pretender. I can't go on this way fooling you wonderful people. So many of you have given me so much. Honestly, I am having people give me brochures, catalogs, and even cues. I can't go on. I am overcome with guilt and shame.

I've decided to come clean and admit my... inadequacy.

I'm sure you've all read in the Bue Book, actually all three editions, about the 100 blanks Gus Szamboti made for Palmer to celebrate the Bi-Centennial. My search has finally ended.

For years I searched for the elusive Palmer Bi-Centennial, the red, white, and blue veneered cue specially issued to commemorate America's 200th birthday. I've seen a few prominent dealers say they had one for sale, but they didn't quite look like Szamboti's to me, and in fact checked out "negative".

Now, according to the Blue Book, actually all three Blue books, there were a hundred out there. So how come I couldn't find one? I silently wondered if maybe MTPOCKETS4U located them all long ago and hoarded them away in a vault somewhere for some diabolical experiment.

Candidly, it was a little intimidating that I, the mighty Palmer Collector didn't own this, one of Palmers most celebrated, discussed and famous cues. It was clearly a weakness in my agenda , making me the "wannabe Palmer dude", the sidewalk cowboy who never rode the horse. I was vulnerable to other experts who lay in wait to expose me, whose knowledge might exceed my own, who would eventually use this as a lever to expose me.

In fact, it bothered me a lot that I didn't even know what one looked like. I couldn't even BS my way through that.

I felt weak and small. I knew inside that someone who had one of Bi-Centennial gus Szamboti commemorative Palmer Cues could just walk all over me day and night. No matter how many Model 20's I might swat them with, I didn't have one of THEM.

I was on the verge of a nationwide door to door sweep to find one. I began questioning my own ability to go on. Should I resign? Could I resign? Who would I resign to?

I admitted this to a friend and confidant. And Peter Balner told me it never went into production.

Whew!


Chris
 
chris! you and cain need to get together and screen write a pool movie and send the script to tom cruise!

btw - peter was just trying to make you feel better! i have all 100 in unplayed condition. make me an offer! NOT! :p
 
iconcue said:
chris! you and cain need to get together and screen write a pool movie and send the script to tom cruise!

btw - peter was just trying to make you feel better! i have all 100 in unplayed condition. make me an offer! NOT! :p

Do you think Bruin is at the game?
 
bruin70 said:
SHUDDUP!!!!!

Just a few more words then we'll move back to the important stuff.

Ah, never mind - just the weak "D" comment kind of stands out. Is that right when they said the most points ever scored by one team in the rivalry's history?

Great season for UCLA anyway - nobody expected much from them and they only lost 2 games and will finish ranked. Your turn next year at the Rose Bowl. Good luck in the bowl games.

Chris
 
TATE said:
Just a few more words then we'll move back to the important stuff.

Ah, never mind - just the weak "D" comment kind of stands out. Is that right when they said the most points ever scored by one team in the rivalry's history?

Great season for UCLA anyway - nobody expected much from them and they only lost 2 games and will finish ranked. Your turn next year at the Rose Bowl. Good luck in the bowl games.

Chris

ohhhhh,,,,,,,,STOP being so damned nice! :)

great as bush is, i'll take his line.
 
TATE said:
I have to admit something and I hope that you all remain my good friends afterward.

I'm a fake, a pretender. I can't go on this way fooling you wonderful people. So many of you have given me so much. Honestly, I am having people give me brochures, catalogs, and even cues. I can't go on. I am overcome with guilt and shame.

I've decided to come clean and admit my... inadequacy.

I'm sure you've all read in the Bue Book, actually all three editions, about the 100 blanks Gus Szamboti made for Palmer to celebrate the Bi-Centennial. My search has finally ended.

For years I searched for the elusive Palmer Bi-Centennial, the red, white, and blue veneered cue specially issued to commemorate America's 200th birthday. I've seen a few prominent dealers say they had one for sale, but they didn't quite look like Szamboti's to me, and in fact checked out "negative".

Now, according to the Blue Book, actually all three Blue books, there were a hundred out there. So how come I couldn't find one? I silently wondered if maybe MTPOCKETS4U located them all long ago and hoarded them away in a vault somewhere for some diabolical experiment.

Candidly, it was a little intimidating that I, the mighty Palmer Collector didn't own this, one of Palmers most celebrated, discussed and famous cues. It was clearly a weakness in my agenda , making me the "wannabe Palmer dude", the sidewalk cowboy who never rode the horse. I was vulnerable to other experts who lay in wait to expose me, whose knowledge might exceed my own, who would eventually use this as a lever to expose me.

In fact, it bothered me a lot that I didn't even know what one looked like. I couldn't even BS my way through that.

I felt weak and small. I knew inside that someone who had one of Bi-Centennial gus Szamboti commemorative Palmer Cues could just walk all over me day and night. No matter how many Model 20's I might swat them with, I didn't have one of THEM.

I was on the verge of a nationwide door to door sweep to find one. I began questioning my own ability to go on. Should I resign? Could I resign? Who would I resign to?

I admitted this to a friend and confidant. And Peter Balner told me it never went into production.

Whew!


Chris


i guess this means you have an even bigger hard on trying to find that prototype.:D
 
merylane said:
i guess this means you have an even bigger hard on trying to find that prototype.:D

Can you even believe this?

How many have I seen that claimed to be the Bi-Centennials quoting the Blue Book.

Will anyone who advertised a Palmer Bi-Centennial cue with a Gus Szamboti Christmas forearm please step forward and identify yourself?
 
TATE said:
Can you even believe this?

How many have I seen that claimed to be the Bi-Centennials quoting the Blue Book.

Will anyone who advertised a Palmer Bi-Centennial cue with a Gus Szamboti Christmas forearm please step forward and identify yourself?


go figger.

have you been talking to pete or just emailing ?

hes pretty awesome huh. i really enjoyed meeting him in vf 99.
 
merylane said:
go figger.

have you been talking to pete or just emailing ?

hes pretty awesome huh. i really enjoyed meeting him in vf 99.

You were so right about him when you told me that months ago, he is an absolute gem. He found the site and wrote me. I almost died on the spot when I saw the e-mail. It said "Balner on Palmer" my heart stopped and I thought I was going to get sued!

We e-mail but I think he prefers talking. I hate to take up much of his time on the phone because I never seem to hear enough. He's very gracious. He just sent me a two inch thick file which represents all he has left of Palmer, 30 years of catalogs, memories, original legal documents, and trademarks. It is the first time I've ever seen an original First Catalog.

I hate to say it, but I probably have more of his stuff than he does. I can't wait until he comes to Los Angeles!

Did you see this - It's the history of Palmer with suppiers etc. He gave it to me over the pjhhone and by e-mail from memory. All those early cues were conversions! They used all the bar cues and pool room Titlists they could get for 50 cents to $1 - no wonder there was so much variety! He remembered the name of every supplier, all his employees, all the years and details.

http://www.palmercollector.com/Palmerhistory.html

See you!

Chris
 
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TATE said:
You were so right about him when you told me that months ago, he is an absolute gem. He found the site and wrote me. I almost died on the spot when I saw the e-mail. It said "Balner on Palmer" my heart stopped and I thought I was going to get sued!

We e-mail but I think he prefers talking. I hate to take up much of his time on the phone because I never seem to hear enough. He's very gracious. He just sent me a two inch thick file which represents all he has left of Palmer, 30 years of catalogs, memories, original legal documents, and trademarks. It is the first time I've ever seen an original First Catalog.

I hate to say it, but I probably have more of his stuff than he does. I can't wait until he comes to Los Angeles!

Did you see this - It's the history of Palmer with suppiers etc. He gave it to me over the pjhhone and by e-mail from memory. All those early cues were conversions! They used all the bar cues and pool room Titlists they could get for 50 cents to $1 - no wonder there was so much variety! He remembered the name of every supplier, all his employees, all the years and details.

http://www.palmercollector.com/Palmerhistory.html

See you!

Chris

It truely is damn amazing, and it attest to the effort you have put in, that Peter Balner chose to contact you. I always thought that Peter Balner only "useful" involvement in Palmer was to turn the Palmer into a Video Store! Anyway kudos to u pal. And for your reward, i decided to let go my Gus Szamboti prototype Bi Centenial by Palmer Industries to u at a most attractive price.

Bgrds
rC
 
titlistsucker said:
It truely is damn amazing, and it attest to the effort you have put in, that Peter Balner chose to contact you. I always thought that Peter Balner only "useful" involvement in Palmer was to turn the Palmer into a Video Store! Anyway kudos to u pal. And for your reward, i decided to let go my Gus Szamboti prototype Bi Centenial by Palmer Industries to u at a most attractive price.

Bgrds
rC

Peter was Palmer. He was also the largest purchaser and distributor in the business in their day. His dad was the expert machinist but hardly spoke english, so it was up to Peter to run the operation as a young man.

If anyone really knew him, they would realize he is one of the most knowledgeable living cue makers of the 1960's Golden Age era, yet he's only 59 years old. I asked him what sort of machine they used to imprint the labels. Immediately he replied "an Ackerman-Gould hot stamping machine, 12 point font. This chore usually fell on my mother".

I asked him why the Blue Book said gold label palmers were worth 25% more than silver label palmers.

I can't tell you what he said. It's a secret. You'll have to keep checking the site...


(don't you hate it when people do that?);)


Chris
 
TATE said:
Peter was Palmer. He was also the largest purchaser and distributor in the business in their day. His dad was the expert machinist but hardly spoke english, so it was up to Peter to run the operation as a young man.

If anyone really knew him, they would realize he is one of the most knowledgeable living cue makers of the 1960's Golden Age era, yet he's only 59 years old. I asked him what sort of machine they used to imprint the labels. Immediately he replied "an Ackerman-Gould hot stamping machine, 12 point font. This chore usually fell on my mother".

I asked him why the Blue Book said gold label palmers were worth 25% more than silver label palmers.

I can't tell you what he said. It's a secret. You'll have to keep checking the site...


(don't you hate it when people do that?);)


Chris

good stuff,

i hope your planning on holding him hostage for a while when he visits.

ask him if george got the few labels he used from them?
 
iconcue said:
don't you mean SHUDDUP!!!!!


powder blue and GOLD, jeff,,,,,that's just a little dirty today.

it's a good thing i'm on the other coast, or i'd be as nutz as my friends
 
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merylane said:
good stuff,

i hope your planning on holding him hostage for a while when he visits.

ask him if george got the few labels he used from them?

I'll find out what all he got.

News flash - In the 1960's and early 1970's Palmer made their own high quality veneered short forearms (no full splices) on their premium cues.

More to follow.

Chris
 
TATE said:
For years I searched for the elusive Palmer Bi-Centennial, the red, white, and blue veneered cue specially issued to commemorate America's 200th birthday. I've seen a few prominent dealers say they had one for sale, but they didn't quite look like Szamboti's to me, and in fact checked out "negative".

Now, according to the Blue Book, actually all three Blue books, there were a hundred out there. So how come I couldn't find one? I silently wondered if maybe MTPOCKETS4U located them all long ago and hoarded them away in a vault somewhere for some diabolical experiment.

Chris

Well you search sound like my search for was it the Missing 1943 Copper Lincoln Head U.S. Penny. It was rumored to exist, but all I ever found was 1943 Steel U.S. Pennies.
 
TATE said:
I'll find out what all he got.

News flash - In the 1960's and early 1970's Palmer made their own high quality veneered short forearms (no full splices) on their premium cues.

More to follow.

Chris
will it be on cnn as well or will i need to tune back in here?
 
iconcue said:
will it be on cnn as well or will i need to tune back in here?

You will just have to wait until I get it all together I'm afraid. I do have a few more shockers for everyone.

Now if you post a nice pic of my favorite Szamboti, let's see a beautiful Barry maybe, (which is any of yours) then I will give you something to think about.

In the meantime, here's something not too many have seen, a high quality (at least as high as currently exists) copy of Palmers first catalog, front and back. That's the first back page I've ever seen on the first catalog. This came from a scan of the original first Catalog, a flyer actually, I just made.

Did you know that all the first catalog Palmers with points were conversions? Some of those forearms might be 90 years old by now.



http://www.palmercollector.com/1stCatalogOriginalScan.html


Chris
 
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Hi Chris,

I've seen a few that purport to be the elusive Bicentennial model that look like this one: http://www.tampabilliards.com/palmer.html

What do you figure they are? I can't for the life of me remember where I just saw close ups of the veneers. They were definitely BC colors (and even in the right order).

Regards,

Steve
 
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