The sound shockwave from a cue hit

justnum said:
Cues make a noise when striking the cue ball. Would an improvement be a cue that strikes the cue ball silently.

The idea being energy transfer from stick to cue creates unwanted feedback producing the thud or thwack noise. A current hypothesis among cue designers is swapping materials to eliminate the sound feedback to improve cue striking precision.
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I wouldn't call it unwanted. That sound is part of the reason I love it. Nothing like a med- firm center ball strike.
 
i dont think you can hit anything with anything and NOT make a noise
not that i care to know if you even can cause itll never be relevant to me
 
garczar said:
Sound is a HUGE feedback provider in ANY stick-n-ball game. Tennis,golf,pool,ping-pong, badminton, you fkng name it. The mere thought of wanting to lessen or remove it is ludicrous. The OP again shows his complete detachment from reality.
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Baseball
 
Next. Hunting. Target shooting. Competition. Oh forgot. There are silencers. Skip.
 
justnum said:
Cues make a noise when striking the cue ball. Would an improvement be a cue that strikes the cue ball silently.

The idea being energy transfer from stick to cue creates unwanted feedback producing the thud or thwack noise. A current hypothesis among cue designers is swapping materials to eliminate the sound feedback to improve cue striking precision.
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McDermott makes excellent production cues AND they are very well known for their "soft hit" and not surprisingly their cues are quiet, too. BTW, if you "google"... McDermott blog video ... you can watch an amazing video showing their production process from "start to finish". I happen to sell McDermott cues but I only sell to my coaching/instructional clients. You can get one from Anthony Beeler [Billiard Congress of America's recent "PBIA Instructor of the DECADE" and a great guy] at his online school website ...

poolteacher.com
 
DeeDeeCues said:
This isn't true. You cannot have an impact without sound. High pitched sounds take a lot less energy to produce than low sounds. That is why a ten watt amp can drive tweeters, but any decent subwoofer will require hundreds of watts. No sound would mean that the waves are under twenty hertz, which would take away tons of energy.

Pinging cues are one sign of very high transfer of useful energy.

Sound is simply a byproduct of work. So is heat.

Two billiard balls hitting each other are an extreme example of a high efficiency transfer of energy, the sound is pretty loud and very high frequency.
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I tried playing with noise cancelling ear buds and really didn't like not hearing the click of cue and ball. With more time I am sure I would get used to it.
 
I realize everyone is different… but trying understand why some are looking for noise reduction in a Striking game. Is this a slight nit pick? Are we looking to bring stress to where there is none? I’m more annoyed by my performance/game than anything that goes on at the table. Is it really a big deal or just looking to find a problem that’s not there.
 
justnum said:
The working interpretation is the energy before the hit is pure kinetic, after the hit its transferred to sound and displacement.

Its similar to how engines produce work but at a cost. In this case the cost is the sound.

A more efficient cue machine can theoretically exist.
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I have a cue machine & sound chamber, that we use to select shaftwood. I have recorded many a sound of shaft, while tryin to select the best, before having to machine them all. A famous Luthier gave us the info for selecting good woods, before exhausting resources, checking them all, only to select the best, through the tested numbers. The Weyerhaeuser Company uses sound, to pick wood before it is cut down, It is then marked f (firewood) or F (Furniture).
 
ceebee said:
I have a cue machine & sound chamber, that we use to select shaftwood. I have recorded many a sound of shaft, while tryin to select the best, before having to machine them all. A famous Luthier gave us the info for selecting good woods, before exhausting resources, checking them all, only to select the best, through the tested numbers. The Weyerhaeuser Company uses sound, to pick wood before it is cut down, It is then marked f (firewood) or F (Furniture).
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So... 'good' wood for a violin is also 'good' for cues? Good to know, I'll retire my cues and use my Stradivarius.

Does Weyerhauser use 'sound', or do they use ultrasonic ndt?
 
justnum said:
Cues make a noise when striking the cue ball.
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Obviously
justnum said:
Would an improvement be a cue that strikes the cue ball silently.
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Not in my opinion. The sound is part of how your body recognizes how well you have executed the shot mechanics.
Removing the sound would reduce the feedback and make it harder to learn and harder to correct mistakes.
 
MitchAlsup said:
Obviously

Not in my opinion. The sound is part of how your body recognizes how well you have executed the shot mechanics.
Removing the sound would reduce the feedback and make it harder to learn and harder to correct mistakes.
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This may be true but pool is a visual thing and attenuating the aural should cause a rise in the visual. SVB anyone?
(I wear earplugs but I'm nadabody)
 
SVB has said that he does't hear any sound relating to his cue striking the cue ball (the energy transfer has the same implications though). I know many golfers that are put off by the sound of some hollow body irons - the main reason that Ping quickly replaced their G700 irons with G710. I likre the "ping" (pun intended) that my playing vue makes.
 
johnnyjumpjump said:
SVB has said that he does't hear any sound relating to his cue striking the cue ball (the energy transfer has the same implications though). I know many golfers that are put off by the sound of some hollow body irons - the main reason that Ping quickly replaced their G700 irons with G710. I likre the "ping" (pun intended) that my playing vue makes.
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If you watch baseball; the batter can tell if he should run based on the sound of the bat and the feel of the hit, long before he has detected the trajectory of the ball.
 
MitchAlsup said:
If you watch baseball; the batter can tell if he should run based on the sound of the bat and the feel of the hit, long before he has detected the trajectory of the ball.
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That is not entirely true, wind speed and wind direction are primary factors for balls hit high up with lots of airtime.
Some stadiums are being designed with hidden wind tunnels.
Wind is a silent factor.
 
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