The Strokeanalyzer, man it has potential!

Celtic

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http://www.strokeanalyzer.com/

I have nothing to do with the company and know little about the product but the potential for it is unreal.

As it stands right now the data seems to be based on theory, but....

If the program had dozens of pro strokes that were actually analyzed, built into the program and that could be averaged as a whole, certain pro's picked and their strokes averaged, if you could pick a specific pro and see where their analysis data lies relative to yours, it could then also analyze your stroke, see flaws that are universal amoung the pros, but ALSO tell you what pro's your stroke most closely resembles and thus give you an idea on smaller changes in your stroke to more closely shoot like a certain pro or two who have a stroke that already more closely resembles yours.

Man the potential....

What you would need to do would be set up a booth in Vegas during the BCA with a 9-foot table, pay the pros $200 or whatever for 1/2 an hour of their time to analyze their strokes, and get as many as possible that are there playing in the BCA 10-ball at that time anyway. If you get 40 pro's to do it it would cost you $8,000 total if they agreed to do it at that price, which does not seem a bad way to spend 1/2 hour of their time and that data is priceless for a program like this, give them the program as a free download as a bonus. With those 40 pro's you can basically get each of their strokes and start to see where the differences and similarities lie, the more top pro's you get the better the program's analysis would be, 80 or 100 top pro's simply limits the standard deviations that much more and gives you more precise windows where most of the pros are in various aspects of the stroke. It would also give the consumer of the product that many more pros to now compare their stroke to and more of a chance to find tweaks in their natural stroke that would fit their game as they already have a stroke similar to certain pros.

A program like that would show where the standard deviation between the pros lie and thus show us where certain aspects of the stroke might be more variable and still allow for world class play. It would also show where the pro strokes all show very little standard deviation and variance and thus show possible critical aspects of the stroke that must be met in order to reach that level of play. A person analyzing their stroke could see a fatal flaw that deviates from all the pros, and see areas of their stroke that might deviate from some pros but be alot closer to some others. You could see if your stroke closely matches a certain pro in all variables, or if you have a mix of angles and data that does not match any pro playing the game well at all.

If the program had all of that I would buy it instantly. If I could videotape my stroke, load it onto the program, and then see where my stroke falls into the variances of the professionals, where it deviates from the average of the pro's, if I could have the program say "based on all of the variables your stroke most closely resmebles Dennis Orcullo" And then I can click on his analysis and view his angles, his amount of elbow drop, and all of the other data and see where the variation from my stroke and his occurs. I can instead compare my stroke to the overall average of EVERY pro in the system and see where my stroke deviates from the average of the pro's, or I can pick any player and see how my stroke compares to theirs. A tall person can thus analyze their stroke and see how it compares to Neils Feigen, or they can analyze their stroke and then compare it to 6 taller pro players that they choose from the list of all the pros and see how their stroke compares to the average of those 6 players.

If you did this, man, the program would be awesome and you would sell heaps. Heck, if they did this, program the thing for a year with all that data, create the program, and then next year go back to Vegas and charge the amature players for a stroke analysis for say $120. Have all the camera's set up, have marks on the table where the balls go, people pay $120 or so, you set up the shots, they shoot, you load their data onto the program which already contains 40+ pro strokes, and then you show them the results, how their stroke compares to the overall average of pro's, which pro's their stroke most closely resembles, areas of their stroke that fall outside of the standard deviation of all pros that show possible critical flaws in the stroke. At the end of it you get the 1/2 or so of time it takes to shoot, the analysis, and a DVD with the program with the pros data and video of the strokes that created their data, and your own stroke data and video loaded onto it as well. You can then videotape yourself again on your own, add the new data to the program, and see how you compare to your old stroke data and how much cloesr or farther it is from the pro averages or any particular pro or group you choose to compare it too.

You would have a lineup of people to pay that $120 the whole BCA nationals long.

A program that did something like that using the acutal pros as a data source, man that would be awesome. The more pros the program had on file to use as data and as a comparison for the amature user of the program the better.
 
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http://www.strokeanalyzer.com/

I have nothing to do with the company and know little about the product but the potential for it is unreal.

As it stands right now the data seems to be based on theory, but....

If the program had dozens of pro strokes that were actually analyzed, built into the program and that could be averaged as a whole, certain pro's picked and their strokes averaged, if you could pick a specific pro and see where their analysis data lies relative to yours, it could then also analyze your stroke, see flaws that are universal amoung the pros, but ALSO tell you what pro's your stroke most closely resembles and thus give you an idea on smaller changes in your stroke to more closely shoot like a certain pro or two who have a stroke that already more closely resembles yours.

Man the potential....

What you would need to do would be set up a booth in Vegas during the BCA with a 9-foot table, pay the pros $200 or whatever for 1/2 an hour of their time to analyze their strokes, and get as many as possible that are there playing in the BCA 10-ball at that time anyway. If you get 40 pro's to do it it would cost you $8,000 total if they agreed to do it at that price, which does not seem a bad way to spend 1/2 hour of their time and that data is priceless for a program like this, give them the program as a free download as a bonus. With those 40 pro's you can basically get each of their strokes and start to see where the differences and similarities lie, the more top pro's you get the better the program's analysis would be, 80 or 100 top pro's simply limits the standard deviations that much more and gives you more precise windows where most of the pros are in various aspects of the stroke. It would also give the consumer of the product that many more pros to now compare their stroke to and more of a chance to find tweaks in their natural stroke that would fit their game as they already have a stroke similar to certain pros.

A program like that would show where the standard deviation between the pros lie and thus show us where certain aspects of the stroke might be more variable and still allow for world class play. It would also show where the pro strokes all show very little standard deviation and variance and thus show possible critical aspects of the stroke that must be met in order to reach that level of play. A person analyzing their stroke could see a fatal flaw that deviates from all the pros, and see areas of their stroke that might deviate from some pros but be alot closer to some others. You could see if your stroke closely matches a certain pro in all variables, or if you have a mix of angles and data that does not match any pro playing the game well at all.

If the program had all of that I would buy it instantly. If I could videotape my stroke, load it onto the program, and then see where my stroke falls into the variances of the professionals, where it deviates from the average of the pro's, if I could have the program say "based on all of the variables your stroke most closely resmebles Dennis Orcullo" And then I can click on his analysis and view his angles, his amount of elbow drop, and all of the other data and see where the variation from my stroke and his occurs. I can instead compare my stroke to the overall average of EVERY pro in the system and see where my stroke deviates from the average of the pro's, or I can pick any player and see how my stroke compares to theirs. A tall person can thus analyze their stroke and see how it compares to Neils Feigen, or they can analyze their stroke and then compare it to 6 taller pro players that they choose from the list of all the pros and see how their stroke compares to the average of those 6 players.

If you did this, man, the program would be awesome and you would sell heaps. Heck, if they did this, program the thing for a year with all that data, create the program, and then next year go back to Vegas and charge the amature players for a stroke analysis for say $120. Have all the camera's set up, have marks on the table where the balls go, people pay $120 or so, you set up the shots, they shoot, you load their data onto the program which already contains 40+ pro strokes, and then you show them the results, how their stroke compares to the overall average of pro's, which pro's their stroke most closely resembles, areas of their stroke that fall outside of the standard deviation of all pros that show possible critical flaws in the stroke. At the end of it you get the 1/2 or so of time it takes to shoot, the analysis, and a DVD with the program with the pros data and video of the strokes that created their data, and your own stroke data and video loaded onto it as well. You can then videotape yourself again on your own, add the new data to the program, and see how you compare to your old stroke data and how much cloesr or farther it is from the pro averages or any particular pro or group you choose to compare it too.

You would have a lineup of people to pay that $120 the whole BCA nationals long.


A program that did something like that using the acutal pros as a data source, man that would be awesome. The more pros the program had on file to use as data and as a comparison for the amature user of the program the better.

Actually we do just that at the BCA Nationals. M-F from 10am to 6pm. You can have your stroke analyzed by a professional.

randyg
 
Celtic; have a look at this link. I think you will like it. there is a lot to see.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TGSnooker#p/a/u/0/0VvlHncXsL4

That is definately a powerful looking software. When you buy SnookerLab does it come loaded with the pro video/analysis? Can you average the various data between all the pros or a selection of the pros and then compare that data with your own stroke in various aspects? And by that I mean will the program do that automatically?

The key is being able to set up the cameras, do all the video/shots, load the video, and then have the program compare the "math" of the stroke, the angles, the motions of the cue in different planes, length of backstroke with a average of all the pros.

It is great that you can look at your stroke and pull up another video and compare a pros stroke with yours. But can the program compile data on multiple pros at the same time? For example say I am trying to find out the angle of the stroking arm at the point of contact for a specific shot type, say the one Marco Fu is doing in the video. I record myself, the program breaks down the stroke into pure data, and now I don't want to manually watch Marco's stroke and mine, I want to have the program take all the data for all the pros on file, average that angle on that exact shot, and then show me how much the angle on my arm differs from that average for all the pros on file. And given I am short, now I want to be able to pick every player who is between 5"5' and 5"8 and look at the data for every single one of the players within that height range and see what their angle is and if it differs from the average of all the pro's to see if that particular angle differs for professionals based on height.

One could manually do it all in days of looking over videos, recording angles, ect... but a program that could do it all internally and compare all the various aspects of a persons stroke at the click of a button, that would be quite something.

When you can buy the program, videotap yourself, load the videotape and have the program turn the stroke variables into raw data then automatically be able to compare the variables of your individual stroke with the pros, flat out tell you which pro your stroke most closely mirrors, tell you certain areas of your game that fall out of the standard deviation of the average of pros on a particual aspect. That should be doable.
 
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