Because HIS mentality is the TRUE cost of hustling.
The true cost of hustling
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Because HIS mentality is the TRUE cost of hustling.
This was not meant to be a dig, only brought it up because as we all know there are many different cultural differences found throughout the world. You very well may feel the way you do because you didn't come up in the same type rooms we have.
justaplayer
Banned
Like this quote or not, this was EXACTLY how ALL of the rooms I came up in was and I'm quote sure many others here could attest to the same thing.
One thing that hasn't been brought up here is the effect on the rooms themselves. We all will never be able to completely distinguish the exact differences between gambling and hustling just take this next statement at face value. Back in the 90's and earlier we had many many good pool rooms. Within a half hour ride or less we had a solid 10 nice, large pool rooms. Most only a 20 minute ride apart. Just about all of them were open 24/7/365. The tables were always kept very nice, constantly being recovered with simonis. There were always people to be found in them all hours of the day or night . Now this next part I witnessed first hand - as the action started drying up in the late 90's these rooms started fading away one by one. I'm sure someone will offer up some alternate reasons why but being here and someone Ewing it first hand I can assure you it was due to the action drying up ( which obviously kept these places open. For the record these were places that had been open for 10, 20, 30, even 40 years or more. What does that time frame have in common - all the way up until they started closing ? Correct - action. What are we left with? Just a few places that are the type of places everyone says they hate - the loud music jukebox ( even live music lol ), Full bars, etc. Is there at least one person that will admit they see the correlation too?
justaplayer
Banned
Perhaps you should consider taking adderal before your next post to improve your comprehension.
Gambling <> Hustling
We have gotten off topic here, the cost of hustling does stop infusing new blood into the pool rooms.
We are all 'seasoned' players on this board, some who bet high, some who know better. That doesn't
mean that any one of us has taken a mark for $100000 and never seen them in the hall again, quite contrary, we leave them alone.
We may not invite them to be part of the club, they have to do that themselves, testing their grit in battle,
whether or not it is in tournaments or gambling that gets them there. It is a big pond with lots of fish in it
and most people I know leave the guppies alone. And by alone they no more give advise or talk them into
action. I love it when people ask me to play, sometimes they make a bad game, not my fault, I rarely ask for one,
but can go anywhere and find good action because I am part of the club.
We are all 'seasoned' players on this board, some who bet high, some who know better. That doesn't
mean that any one of us has taken a mark for $100000 and never seen them in the hall again, quite contrary, we leave them alone.
We may not invite them to be part of the club, they have to do that themselves, testing their grit in battle,
whether or not it is in tournaments or gambling that gets them there. It is a big pond with lots of fish in it
and most people I know leave the guppies alone. And by alone they no more give advise or talk them into
action. I love it when people ask me to play, sometimes they make a bad game, not my fault, I rarely ask for one,
but can go anywhere and find good action because I am part of the club.
justaplayer
Banned
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You think me playing 50 to 400 a set with mostly guys I've played for years or regional guys that know me is hustling? You are outta your mind.
When I travel, I give weight just to get action.
Pretty sure you can start with the 7 out and the breaks and work towards the orange crush.
Sound like what I remember. You left out no smoking.
yea he did leave out smoking. in areas of the country where people were stopping smoking those stopped going to pool rooms because of the smoke. so pool rooms went out of business as they lost the 80% of the population they were not catering to.
after most smoking bans came in the pool rooms were already closed or going broke, and people were out of the habit of pool.
the smoking bans did hurt pool rooms in areas of low wages and many smokers, where there are a much higher % of smokers.
after most smoking bans came in the pool rooms were already closed or going broke, and people were out of the habit of pool.
the smoking bans did hurt pool rooms in areas of low wages and many smokers, where there are a much higher % of smokers.
And the lesson to be learned is that a pool room is a really really bad place to develop a sense of honesty and ethics. Can't imagine why most people do not want their kids hanging out there.
The no smoking hurt the fun crowd. The action players just dealt with it. it wasn't like there was a choice between rooms in the same state with smoking or non. You wanted to smoke you went north to PA. Wasn't nobody doing that to just smoke. The bars and pool rooms got a few year reprieve frome the ban but nine the less. Think about it like this, if you could still go get action but had to step outside to smoke - an inconvenience for sure but doable. What happens when you show up and there is no action? People blame the casinos and to that there is some truth but through reality is when no more action at the pool hall people went elseware. Then people say poker, yeah OK maybe. Thing is WAY before the casinos popped up we had awesome high stakes card games, and some were really nice with full spreads of food - steak, seafood, etc. Then I around 2005 when it became clear we were getting casinos those games started getting busted lol. coincidence ? ???
You probably won't understand this but a real pool room is the most honest place you could be. As described in that post, it's the same way in life like it or not. Their is a hierarchy at work, at the gym, at the racetrack ( cars ), even amongst your own friends not to mention the kind of gir, you get to date. Our whole society is built on hierarchy If you are at the bottom of that chain sorry but your luck.
No. Gambling <> Hustling
<> aka "not equal to"
Gambling is gambling. Hustling in my opinion includes deceit. Swindle would be a parallel to hustling in my viewpoint - I think Webster's too.
If you play with guys you know, that you're business. I think that if there is a swindler hanging in the pool room, you lose repeat customers.
Be well
no players ( hustlers) equal less business
This is correct. Look at when pool boomed. After The Hustler and TCOM. Places
were full . New players and players that hadn't played in a while came in.Pool
is a gambling game just like cards and horse racing. Back then if you wanted
competition who had to gamble. For most full time players the big score put the
money in your pocket, the small scores keep it there. That silly cliche about all
the hustlers sitting around waiting to pounce on some poor innocent soul is beyond
stupid. Sure they would take off a sucker but everyone knew everyone so that old
story about how hustlers work is what someone saw on I Love Lucy total BS.
There were plenty of players at all speeds that wanted to gamble, high and low.
Most hustlers or players gave up the nuts to weaker players and tried to out run
it, Sometimes they didn't. There were a lot of champions that were suckers in
their own right. Louie, Greg Stevens and many more. They waned to play so bad
that they would give up the moon to get to.Where I started playing there was
Alf, Taylor, Jack Terry,Bill Stroud,Georgia Slim, Little Hand, Puckett, our Own SJD.
Who I can tell you I never saw stealing, he played anyone. Then Local small
tournaments and leagues, all of the smaller gamblers got to pay $10.00 and play
all night or play league. The small score dried up and spectators or sweaters that
came to watch and SPEND MONEY stopped coming. How you here, well if
it wasn't for leagues there would be no pool rooms at all. Makes me think of this
guy that loved animals. He had cats, dogs, sheep, all kinds of animals. One day
he brings home a couple of wolves. All the animals begin to leave until the only
ones left are the wolves. Man I'm sure glad I got those two or I wouldn't have any
animals at all
jack
This is correct. Look at when pool boomed. After The Hustler and TCOM. Places
were full . New players and players that hadn't played in a while came in.Pool
is a gambling game just like cards and horse racing. Back then if you wanted
competition who had to gamble. For most full time players the big score put the
money in your pocket, the small scores keep it there. That silly cliche about all
the hustlers sitting around waiting to pounce on some poor innocent soul is beyond
stupid. Sure they would take off a sucker but everyone knew everyone so that old
story about how hustlers work is what someone saw on I Love Lucy total BS.
There were plenty of players at all speeds that wanted to gamble, high and low.
Most hustlers or players gave up the nuts to weaker players and tried to out run
it, Sometimes they didn't. There were a lot of champions that were suckers in
their own right. Louie, Greg Stevens and many more. They waned to play so bad
that they would give up the moon to get to.Where I started playing there was
Alf, Taylor, Jack Terry,Bill Stroud,Georgia Slim, Little Hand, Puckett, our Own SJD.
Who I can tell you I never saw stealing, he played anyone. Then Local small
tournaments and leagues, all of the smaller gamblers got to pay $10.00 and play
all night or play league. The small score dried up and spectators or sweaters that
came to watch and SPEND MONEY stopped coming. How you here, well if
it wasn't for leagues there would be no pool rooms at all. Makes me think of this
guy that loved animals. He had cats, dogs, sheep, all kinds of animals. One day
he brings home a couple of wolves. All the animals begin to leave until the only
ones left are the wolves. Man I'm sure glad I got those two or I wouldn't have any
animals at all
jack
"No players (hustlers) equals less business." Really ?
The Hustler was in 1961, The Color of Money was 1986. 55 years and 30 years ago.
People refuse to believe market demands change over time because what they want, is no longer in big demand.
When I look at pool halls still open in the NYC area, they all have a variety of customers. Young, old, middle age, men, women, leagues, beginners, intermediates.
The Hustler was in 1961, The Color of Money was 1986. 55 years and 30 years ago.
People refuse to believe market demands change over time because what they want, is no longer in big demand.
When I look at pool halls still open in the NYC area, they all have a variety of customers. Young, old, middle age, men, women, leagues, beginners, intermediates.
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That's odd
I hung out in one for years and I have a sense of honesty and ethics. Some of that, I learned there or had reinforced. You should have stayed out of those places and continue to do so.
cannot be said any truer!
Cowboy Dennis
Banned
Kids should and do have their honesty, ethics, and morals instilled in them by their parents, at home. Walking into a poolroom, bar or a church will not alter one's honesty.
If "most people" don't want their kids hanging out in a poolroom they should check their own method of raising their kids.
RBL