The Umbrella Shot

Roy Vadas

Roy Vadas

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Good evening all. I have a bunch of Grady's DVDs and see him shoot the "umbrella" shot in a couple of the-one pocket videos. He generally shows how he shoots different "system" shots (mirror, 1 rail kick, ect.) but I haven't found an example of him explaining how he measures or sights this particular one.

Anyway, I do not have Killer One Pocket or The Finishing Touch yet and wanted to know if he covered this shot in either of those. I believe those are the only 2 videos of his I do not currently have. If not covered in either of those videos, can someone possibly explain to me the correct way of shooting this shot. I have worked on the table trying to figure it out, but seem to be somewhat inconsistent in my calculations (I guess.)

Regards,
Roy
 
roy vadas said:
good evening all. I have a bunch of grady's dvds and see him shoot the "umbrella" shot in a couple of the-one pocket videos. He generally shows how he shoots different "system" shots (mirror, 1 rail kick, ect.) but i haven't found an example of him explaining how he measures or sights this particular one.

Anyway, i do not have killer one pocket or the finishing touch yet and wanted to know if he covered this shot in either of those. I believe those are the only 2 videos of his i do not currently have. If not covered in either of those videos, can someone possibly explain to me the correct way of shooting this shot. I have worked on the table trying to figure it out, but seem to be somewhat inconsistent in my calculations (i guess.)

regards,
roy
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can you describe the umbrella shot
 
bbb said:
can you describe the umbrella shot
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An umbrella shot is a standard shot in 3-cushion billiards in which you hit two cushions before the first ball, then one more cushion and spin out to the second ball. Grady may have been talking about something else.
 
I always thought an umbrella shot is when you bank a ball off a rail and carom off another ball and into the pocket. In 1pkt, you'd back off your opponent's long rail, into the short rail, off a ball and nothing but net.
 
pt109 said:
My favorite Blomdahl shot....it's raining caroms.
https://www.google.ca/url?url=http:...lliard&usg=AFQjCNFv5xyv2kMFiD_AHGmNPhkTIXvDHg
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That's a pretty good shot, but usually an umbrella arrives at the first ball with "inside" english. Blomdahl arrives with outside (and then goes six more cushions. At one pocket, an umbrella in the 3-C sense would look like:

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SpiderWebComm said:
I always thought an umbrella shot is when you bank a ball off a rail and carom off another ball and into the pocket. In 1pkt, you'd back off your opponent's long rail, into the short rail, off a ball and nothing but net.
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isnt that a kind of "tikki" shot??
 
Heya bbb. I will try :)

Example:

Umbrella.jpg


I understand the angle in and angle out of the initial point of the bank.

My difficulty comes from the correct contact angle after the touch of the second rail, contacting of the 3, carom off 3 contact point, allowing the ball to continue to contact rail a third time enroute to rail 4, cueball resting position behind the 1 and 5.

I can do it by guessing the angle the cue will come off the 3 and getting the speed right. However, it is hit or miss on the shot. Not a system.

For example. I can use a deadball, 1 rail formula to calculate the spot to hit second rail that will impact the 3 ball correctly. However, I cannot calculate the exit angle after impact of the 3 to send it to the correct spot to hit rail #3, then rail#4. Finally resting behind the 1 and 5.

Tangent Line doesnt seem to hold accurate after impact of the 3. This is a one-pocket safety shot btw.

Regards,
Roy
 
Wow! Lotta replies while I was making that graphic =) Bob, that illustration is perfect! I hope mine isnt too confusing. Also, I didnt know it was a 3 cushion move, but makes sense that it is :)

Regards,
Roy
 
Roy Vadas said:
Heya bbb. I will try :)

Example:

Umbrella.jpg


I understand the angle in and angle out of the initial point of the bank.

My difficulty comes from the correct contact angle after the touch of the second rail, contacting of the 3, carom off 3 contact point, allowing the ball to continue to contact rail a third time enroute to rail 4, cueball resting position behind the 1 and 5.

I can do it by guessing the angle the cue will come off the 3 and getting the speed right. However, it is hit or miss on the shot. Not a system.

For example. I can use a deadball, 1 rail formula to calculate the spot to hit second rail that will impact the 3 ball correctly. However, I cannot calculate the exit angle after impact of the 3 to send it to the correct spot to hit rail #3, then rail#4. Finally resting behind the 1 and 5.

Tangent Line doesnt seem to hold accurate after impact of the 3. This is a one-pocket safety shot btw.

Regards,
Roy
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At 3-C I think most people would call this a "lag ticky" since if you just shot from the far cushion the action is a ticky (cushion, first ball, back to the same cushion, next cushion, second ball).

As for your problem knowing the angle off the 3, you have to shoot some shots. It will be easier to practice shooting it as a ticky (no end rail first) than a lag ticky. The half-ball rule applies far more to tickies than any tangent (90-degree rule) in addition to which there is usually running english on the rail after you hit the ball.

The ticky is also a very useful safety -- imagine that your opponent has left you up-table with some ball blocking direct contact on the 3.
 
LOL!! WAY OVER MY HEAD!! I guess that's why I don't play ONE POCKET??!!
 
Practicing this from the headrail makes so much dang sense now that someone has said it I could kick myself. Thank you for the response Bob. I appreciate everyones time answering. Also, running english off the the rail after the ball hit is very insightful. Thank you :)

Regards,
Roy
 
Bob Jewett said:
That's a pretty good shot, but usually an umbrella arrives at the first ball with "inside" english. Blomdahl arrives with outside (and then goes six more cushions. At one pocket, an umbrella in the 3-C sense would look like:

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Bob, could this be considered a variation of the umbrella shot?
...not really familiar with the term.....
https://www.google.ca/url?url=http:...+grady&usg=AFQjCNFPjoOo5G6oEOac2ChAAI1J6JO-9A

...and your diagram makes me miss the Wei table.

pt..<..misses Grady a lot
 
pt109 said:
Bob, could this be considered a variation of the umbrella shot?
...not really familiar with the term.....
https://www.google.ca/url?url=http:...+grady&usg=AFQjCNFPjoOo5G6oEOac2ChAAI1J6JO-9A

...and your diagram makes me miss the Wei table.

pt..<..misses Grady a lot
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No, what Grady demo's in that clip is a simple corner-five 4-cushion lag shot. He calculates to come in "short" on the fourth cushion. If he had come in a little shorter, he could have gotten a good hit on the ball by the end rail.
 
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