The "V" grip, searching for a better explanation

From the descriptions of the v grip here and elsewhere, it sounds exactly like my grip - which seemed to me from the very beginning to be simply the obvious way to grip the cue without interfering with a straight stroke. It's also the way that has been advocated by most knowledgable players (although described in different ways) as long as I can remember.

I like the grip, but it's old news.

pj
chgo
 
.... It's also the way that has been advocated by most knowledgable players (although described in different ways) as long as I can remember.

I like the grip, but it's old news.

pj
chgo

You could say this about a lot of things. Sometimes it's the way something is packaged, presented and explained that makes a difference.

I am a beginner in pool. My current learning experiences remind me of my days when I learned to play golf and ski. My natural athletic abilities quickly got me to a certain point. Everything after that was just a matter of putting in a lot of time. However, that didn't stop me from reading, discussing, buying the "next best thing".

I have a feeling pool will be the same for me. Little small improvements here and there from tips I read, but a lot of time on the table to see big improvements.
 
Back-handed compliments still suck............

From the descriptions of the v grip here and elsewhere, it sounds exactly like my grip - which seemed to me from the very beginning to be simply the obvious way to grip the cue without interfering with a straight stroke. It's also the way that has been advocated by most knowledgable players (although described in different ways) as long as I can remember.

I like the grip, but it's old news.

pj
chgo

I see you're up to your old knockin' ways suggesting that most knowledgeable players advocate this grip and that this is old news. If that was the case, why haven't these knowledgeable players illustrated it with a video and a book?

So I guess you drop your elbow too. :rolleyes:

In the video, Coach Lee says that he teaches this grip IN CONJUCNTION WITH the elbow drop. I guess that's old news too. :rolleyes:

No one has provided more data on the V Grip than Coach Lee Brett, especially how the grip is supposed to look on the finish.

The finish is the telling tale of success for this grip. MOST PLAYERS DO NOT FINISH WITH THE GRIP LIKE COACH LEE ILLUSTRATES IN HIS VIDEO. SOME KNOWLEDGEABLE PLAYERS DO FINISH WITH A SIMILAR GRIP.

Why don't you give credit where credit is due? For the record, I've heard from local Chicago people that they NEVER hear of you teaching anyone and that you don't play well either, not that it matters to me.

Quite being so tight-fisted and buy Coach Lee Brett's video, then you can really knock it in your own inimitable way. :mad:
 
I see you're up to your old knockin' ways suggesting that most knowledgeable players advocate this grip and that this is old news.
Don't pop a vessel, Joey - I'm not criticizing Brett; I'm wondering why so many on this forum seem never to have heard of this grip.

...why haven't these knowledgeable players illustrated it with a video and a book?
What about all those pictures of pros using the same grip? Did they all learn it from Brett? Why haven't they produced videos of it? Maybe because it's old news...?

No one has provided more data on the V Grip than Coach Lee Brett, especially how the grip is supposed to look on the finish.
That may be true, but from what I can tell (without seeing the book or DVD), I've heard it all before. Brett may be making it more widely available than before, for which I applaud him. I hope lots of players buy his DVD and learn it.

Why don't you give credit where credit is due?
Why are you a walking billboard for everybody with something to sell?

For the record, I've heard from local Chicago people that they NEVER hear of you teaching anyone and that you don't play well either, not that it matters to me.
Everybody I know in New Orleans says you get paid for all your ceaseless product endorsements. Not that it matters to me.

See how easy it is to say anything I want about you, as long as I don't have to back it up?

pj
chgo
 
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Why are you a walking billboard for everybody with something to sell?

Unlike some people, I actually like people to succeed, especially those who risk their time, money and reputation.

Everybody I know in New Orleans says you get paid for all your ceaseless product endorsements. Not that it matters to me.
You're a liar as you haven't spoken to anyone in New Orleans who has said that.

See how easy it is to say anything I want about you, as long as I don't have to back it up?
Unlike you, I can back up what was said about you by players in your area and your "teaching" and your level of play.

pj
chgo

Why don't you run back over to the Aiming Forum and teach someone something that will help their pool game.......
 
You're a liar as you haven't spoken to anyone in New Orleans who has said that.
Duh. I don't know anybody in NO. That was an example of how silly your personal attack was. Silly and not unexpected.

I can back up what was said about you by players in your area and your "teaching" and your level of play.
Please do.

pj
chgo
 
Duh. I don't know anybody in NO. That was an example of how silly your personal attack was. Silly and not unexpected.


Please do.

pj
chgo

Like I said, it doesn't make any difference if you can teach or play pool. Why bother? :slap:
 
Like I said, it doesn't make any difference if you can teach or play pool. Why bother? :slap:
It seemed to matter to you - and you clearly wanted it to matter to others - when you brought it up.

When you're called on it - then it doesn't matter.

pj
chgo
 
During a lull at the US One Pocket Open, Bob Jewett and I were discussing old pool books and I asked him what book he thought would be the first instructional book on American pool. He thought about it for a while and said that it might very well be "Willie Mosconi on Pocket Billiards" otherwise known as "the red book." Here are two photos, one from Mosconi's red book, that seems to illustrate a V-grip, and the other, from his later "blue book" that seems to show dropping your elbow.

Also, I visited NOLA lately and while I was there I talked to a lot of folks down there in the pool rooms over the course of two days.

Just sayin'.

Lou Figueroa
 

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It seemed to matter to you - and you clearly wanted it to matter to others - when you brought it up.

When you're called on it - then it doesn't matter.

pj
chgo

Just discontinue your knocking ways and you will be just fine.
 
Just discontinue your knocking ways and you will be just fine.
I think I'll be just fine either way. Thanks for your concern.

But as I said, I'm not knocking Lee's instruction of the v grip or the fact that he profits from it - I'm sure he adds value and deserves his sales. The fact that the technique has some history doesn't change that.

pj
chgo
 
Look at the pic's of SVB and Mosconi. Notice the difference in the wrist angles. Also notice the differences where each grips the stick.

The closer you grip the cue at the balance point the v grip becomes more natural to perform. Also the wrist angle is not as great.

Also the closer to the balance point the grip is the weight of the cue is not felt as much. There are times I do not feel the cue in my hands at all due to gripping at the balance point.

If you ever played tennis, you used the v grip.

There really isn't any thing new in pool, just people expressing the things in new and different ways.

My only issue is the spamming in the main forum.
 
Look at the pic's of SVB and Mosconi. Notice the difference in the wrist angles. Also notice the differences where each grips the stick.

The closer you grip the cue at the balance point the v grip becomes more natural to perform. Also the wrist angle is not as great.

Also the closer to the balance point the grip is the weight of the cue is not felt as much. There are times I do not feel the cue in my hands at all due to gripping at the balance point.

If you ever played tennis, you used the v grip.

There really isn't any thing new in pool, just people expressing the things in new and different ways.

My only issue is the spamming in the main forum.

You sound like a v-grip technician. You should come out with a duckie video.

Who grips their cue at the balance point? You must be 4'2.
 
Duckie is spot on about tennis, many moons ago when I took tennis lessons, the first thing they taught me was the v grip. Since reading the posts and seeing the pictures, I tried Lee's v grip with my cue, and the balls were pocketing very cleanly, and the hit feels very crisp, I think I am really going to try and add it to my game.
 
does anyone think all the V grip is is an indicator of a loose grip????
if you look at all the pictures you will also notice at their finish everyones knuckles are at a diagonal upward
during a lesson with scott lee he mentioned i sometimes grip too tightly and one way i could check my grip if my knuckles where in a line going up the grip pressure was ok
if they were more parrellel to the floor my grip pressure was too tight
so maybe the V grip is really just a way to get people to have a loose grip???
we all know a loose grip is better
your thoughts??
 
You sound like a v-grip technician. You should come out with a duckie video.

Who grips their cue at the balance point? You must be 4'2.

Go pound sand where the sun doesn't shine, in your words up yours. This is a prime example of whats wrong with this forum. A few, and you are one of them, think they are Gods gift to the pool world. You are trying nothing more than to be a big fish in a small pond.

You are a troll.
 
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does anyone think all the V grip is is an indicator of a loose grip????
if you look at all the pictures you will also notice at their finish everyones knuckles are at a diagonal upward
during a lesson with scott lee he mentioned i sometimes grip too tightly and one way i could check my grip if my knuckles where in a line going up the grip pressure was ok
if they were more parrellel to the floor my grip pressure was too tight
so maybe the V grip is really just a way to get people to have a loose grip???
we all know a loose grip is better
your thoughts??

Grip pressure has nothing to do with the type of grip used. Just don't grip so hard. Experiment on your own.
 
does anyone think all the V grip is is an indicator of a loose grip????
if you look at all the pictures you will also notice at their finish everyones knuckles are at a diagonal upward
during a lesson with scott lee he mentioned i sometimes grip too tightly and one way i could check my grip if my knuckles where in a line going up the grip pressure was ok
if they were more parrellel to the floor my grip pressure was too tight
so maybe the V grip is really just a way to get people to have a loose grip???
we all know a loose grip is better
your thoughts??

I think you may be the first to talk about the "diagonal upward" position of the knuckles.

If you understand "knuckles are at an diagonal upward" (which you obviously do) then you "see" the finish position of the V Grip and that plus the SEPARATION of the index finger and the middle finger are the "secrets" of the V Grip.

The opening and close of the middle, ring and pinky fingers can't be emphasized enough. That is done differently for power shots.

In addition to the "superior" grip, the mere fact that one is paying attention to the grip, will replace other negative thoughts while executing.
 
I think you may be the first to talk about the "diagonal upward" position of the knuckles.

If you understand "knuckles are at an diagonal upward" (which you obviously do) then you "see" the finish position of the V Grip and that plus the SEPARATION of the index finger and the middle finger are the "secrets" of the V Grip.

The opening and close of the middle, ring and pinky fingers can't be emphasized enough. That is done differently for power shots.

In addition to the "superior" grip, the mere fact that one is paying attention to the grip, will replace other negative thoughts while executing.

joeyA
go back and look at these photos in an earlier post please
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=3599731&postcount=14
if you look at the second photo of shane and definitely of bustamonte
there is no separation of the index finger from the middle finger
would you say that those pictures (especially bustamonte) are "V GRIPS"??
all opinions welcome for learning
 
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