The World has got the 8

f210 said:
Is Orcullo definitely going to be there? I have heard that Orcullo and Marlon Manalo are joining the next Reno tournament and that Manalo is in the Turning Stone games but this is the first time I heard that Dennis is going to be in the bar table championship too.

Sorry, I really don't know for sure. I just thought he might want to defend his title.
 
scottycoyote said:
yep i agree.........hes got a slight ocd thing going on with the lint and the cueball, and i dont think he gets any rhythm or flow going like he used to. Watch that match from like 92 or 93 where he beats efren, he plays at least twice as fast back then.
I dont know. I watch Johnny shoot at VF last year against Corey and he took forever to shoot a shot. The OCD thing was in full gear. But he recently won the 2006 Challenge of Champions. The 2 matches of his they aired on ESPN he wasnt slow at all. Im sure the shot clock weighed in on this, but even when he took his extensions, he still didnt take an absurd amount of time.

I think Johnny shoots much better when he isnt taking a ton of time between shots. Like someone said, he seems to be better when he is in rhythm.
 
cdavis9771 said:
Once i heard about wade crane playing jose' parica back in the mid 80's. The story was that they were playing 9-ball for 1,000 per game. The story is that parica had crane down 5 games when all of a sudden crane put a 10
pack on him. Parica quit. Crane then went to the intercom and announced that he would play anybody in the room right now. There were alot of good players there such as Earl,Kim,Buddy,etc.. and they were in there prime back then. No one would go for it. Of course if i had watched a man put a 10 pack on parica i would wait until he has cooled off a little before challenging him. lol!!=)

This may demonstrate why some players are so dominant in money games. To point this out by contrast, I've been told that back in '96 or so Johnny matched up with Bustamante after the Glass City Open, playing races to 13 for $2500. Bustamante won the first set, and in the second set Johnny ran out the set (yes--13 and out!) on him. The place went wild after the last ball was sunk and everybody was looking to see Busta break down his cue. Francisco calmly asked Johnny if he wanted to double the bet to $5K. Johnny declined, Bustamante won the next set, and Johnny quit him!

That's plenty of heart on Bustamante's part!
 
> If we're talking about the Earl from the 2nd day of that Color Of Money match,God couldn't have given him the 8. I'd like to think Alex would take that spot too. Rodney as well. Tommy D.
 
Tommy-D said:
> If we're talking about the Earl from the 2nd day of that Color Of Money match,God couldn't have given him the 8. I'd like to think Alex would take that spot too. Rodney as well. Tommy D.


GOD!? scary......
 
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haha

Grady said:
The more modern players have a better breakshot than the generations before them. They also jump balls better and play better defense. They're not better shotmakers or position players except at One Pocket, where the top players get behind balls at the other end of the table like nobody's business.
Keith, Buddy and Nick were practically unbeatable in the 70's and 80's. Keith, for the dough, COULD probably have given any player a little something. He regularly gave A players games like the orange crush (the 5 and the break) and demolished them; case in point, Harley once got the 6 and the break on the bar table and promptly lost about $15,000. Then he hunted Keith down to play some more and got broke again.
Nobody ever beat Buddy for the money in an extended match. There are some top players who didn't beat Nick for 5 or 6 years at any game.
But things have definitely changed. Many of the American guys are scared of the Philipinos and almost admit defeat before playing, which is a disgrace to me. I chide them as often as I can but it's a tough sell, to get them to believe that they play as well as anyone in the world. I mean, C'mon, isn't Archer gonna put packages together and Duell and if Johnny gets to rack the balls against anyone, I REALLY like him.


My thoughts exactly. It seems that there more worried about sponsers than anything. If Corey or Archer was to get up I dont think Dennis would play his own money giving either one of those guys weight and like it.. but that my opinion.
 
Scottster said:
At DCC Orcollo offered the 7 ball to any american...
Evidently from the mid '70's through the mid '80's Buddy Hall was giving the world the 7 ball, including Keith. When Efren came to Houston in 1985, he won the tournament at Red's. But after the tournament Buddy smoked Efren in a 10-ahead set of 10 ball for $10k in 2 hours, even though Buddy was half drunk. This after Efren had run the first 2 racks. Then Efren dodged him for 2 days until Buddy left town.

Not since Wimpy did anyone ever dominate the pool scene at both tournaments and gambling like Buddy did, until Efren picked up speed in the late '80's or early 90's.

Doc
 
Robertduke said:
My thoughts exactly. It seems that there more worried about sponsers than anything. If Corey or Archer was to get up I dont think Dennis would play his own money giving either one of those guys weight and like it.. but that my opinion.
Dennis almost always has part of the wager. I remember back (99-2000) when nobody hasn't taken notice of Dennis yet and we, I was Dennis' sole backer, were getting te 6 from Warren Kiamco and most of the other 2nd level players here in the Philippines. We were rackin' in on the per-game bets as we normally win coming from behind. I bet low in the early goings of the match and pump up in the later stages. Warren was on the hill,11-6, and I turned to Dennis who's sitting beside me and just said "express". He knew what I meant and proceeded to finish off the set. This happened on a regular basis until it got to the point that a buddy and I will just bowl while Dennis plays and he'll just come over to the adjacent lanes to hand me the winnings and tell me the status of the next match.

Soon, a lot of other backers want part of the action and this was the time that I stepped back and just watched. Sure enough, a lot of them got busted as Dennis started to move up and had to give up outrageous spots and still without the capability to do so. He won some but it was all due to what I first saw in him, Tenacity, focus and the genuine love for the game.
 
That table was signed and then sold.

Here in Indy there is a player who is a ball or two below a shortstop, but still a very good player. A road player came in (can't remember who it was) but anyway the local guy breaks the balls and doesn't make a ball, road player runs that rack then runs 6 more for the set.

Most people quit here right?
This guy looks at the road player and says double the bet? When the road player said yes, the local player walks over to the counter and we are all like man why did you double the bet after him running 7 racks (on a tight 9 footer) He said cause he sure ain't gonna do that again.

Anyone who remembers the front table at Executive knows that when Randy was doing the tables, that was one of the tightest tables anywhere.



VIProfessor said:
This may demonstrate why some players are so dominant in money games. To point this out by contrast, I've been told that back in '96 or so Johnny matched up with Bustamante after the Glass City Open, playing races to 13 for $2500. Bustamante won the first set, and in the second set Johnny ran out the set (yes--13 and out!) on him. The place went wild after the last ball was sunk and everybody was looking to see Busta break down his cue. Francisco calmly asked Johnny if he wanted to double the bet to $5K. Johnny declined, Bustamante won the next set, and Johnny quit him!

That's plenty of heart on Bustamante's part!
 
In my opinion, after running out the set, the player might be too excited, and have obviously used up lots of energy, it is not a bad idea to keep playing, if one is confident in one's own game.
 
u12armresl said:
That table was signed and then sold.
Was that the one signed "Johnny Archer-13 racks runout" and "Francisco Bustamante-Winner". LOL at Django, a great way to cap an unforgettable event in our sport.
 
Grady said:
Keith, Buddy and Nick were practically unbeatable in the 70's and 80's. Keith, for the dough, COULD probably have given any player a little something.

Hi Grady

They were not only unbeatable but exciting to watch and if you were fortunate - exciting to play - adreniline high!
 
just curious

VIProfessor said:
This may demonstrate why some players are so dominant in money games. To point this out by contrast, I've been told that back in '96 or so Johnny matched up with Bustamante after the Glass City Open, playing races to 13 for $2500. Bustamante won the first set, and in the second set Johnny ran out the set (yes--13 and out!) on him. The place went wild after the last ball was sunk and everybody was looking to see Busta break down his cue. Francisco calmly asked Johnny if he wanted to double the bet to $5K. Johnny declined, Bustamante won the next set, and Johnny quit him!

That's plenty of heart on Bustamante's part!
Are you sure it was the Glass City, because i live in central FL, and i'm pretty sure that it happened here at the Florida State championships, same players, exact story, same time period
 
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