The worlds view of pool

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First off, this thread is not addressed to anyone in particular. I have been thinking about our great sport of pool and the idea of it becoming a major sport that we can be proud of. The thing that got me thinking about it is all the threads with the “I’ll flip a coin for your net worth threads”. Hell I have it as a quote in my signature, (that will be changing very soon). I hear people talking about how much the gambling brings to the game. That will be one of my first points, but before I get to that. I also hear fans talking about pool players dumping matches. We have all heard the rumors. I know, and have played around quite a few pros, and unfortunately it is real. I think it is one of the worst things you can do and very well might be one big reason our sport has such a bad rep. But, there are top level pros out there struggling to live day to day. They are doing what they feel they must. We as fans and players are not doing anything to help. We are one of the causes of it. In pool the thing everyone is gunning for is money. Hell I don’t go into a pool room with the intention of anything else. In all sports the money is the driving factor, it is the trophy we all want. But something all pool players and fans need to remember, young people are what make a sport what it is. Do you think basketball would be what it is if most of them didn’t start until 18. Or football, golf, baseball. Bottom line, the majority of people playing the big sports are under 20. As a father of a nearly one year old son, I couldn’t imagine my son being a part of the dark underbelly of pool. Imagine what parents must think when they see the comment, ( I’ll flip you a coin for your gd net worth) on the biggest pool forum on the internet!!! Would you want your kids involved in that?? I want to teach my son about pool and raise him with honor and integrity. I want him to have the drive to be as good at something as he can and to give 110%. But I don’t want him involved in anything that would affect that honor and integrity. I don’t want him walking into someplace you have to watch your back for risk of death, or plotting to steal someone’s money on a pool game by way of trickery. Now All the things I have mentioned I have either done or been around. I wont dump by the way. So I am no better, But I do want better for him.
Now pool has always had gambling. But stop and think about the view people have about pool. An example: two years ago during the tar derby stream, someone stumbled in the stream and asked, “what channel is this, the redneck channel”……..that should some it up. When I tell my in-laws I am going to a big tournament, they give me this look of distain as if to say how low class. That is the general view of the pool from the world. No mater how much you think its not. Until we get pool out of the smoke filled bars and get the railbirds muzzled, pool will not change. I enjoy a good beer while playing a 100 dollar set as much as anyone, but its not helping pool. An alcoholic can’t imagine his world without booze. Same goes for gambling and pool players, but some of the most successful players in pool don’t gamble. But they are there at the top. Now challenge matches set up with backers is fun…fun to watch and fun to bet on, like a horse race. But sitting around the pool room hustling to make a living is not what our sport should be about. Bottom line, to be successful pool must be something young kids at the age of ten can pick up and learn like one would with golf , football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and so on a so forth. No sane parent would get there kid into pool in its current state. And that in my humble opinion is one of the biggest keys to improving pool as a sport. Now all of this is just my opinion and I mean no disrespect to anyone.
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First off, this thread is not addressed to anyone in particular. I have been thinking about our great sport of pool and the idea of it becoming a major sport that we can be proud of. The thing that got me thinking about it is all the threads with the “I’ll flip a coin for your net worth threads”. Hell I have it as a quote in my signature, (that will be changing very soon). I hear people talking about how much the gambling brings to the game. That will be one of my first points, but before I get to that. I also hear fans talking about pool players dumping matches. We have all heard the rumors. I know, and have played around quite a few pros, and unfortunately it is real. I think it is one of the worst things you can do and very well might be one big reason our sport has such a bad rep. But, there are top level pros out there struggling to live day to day. They are doing what they feel they must. We as fans and players are not doing anything to help. We are one of the causes of it. In pool the thing everyone is gunning for is money. Hell I don’t go into a pool room with the intention of anything else. In all sports the money is the driving factor, it is the trophy we all want. But something all pool players and fans need to remember, young people are what make a sport what it is. Do you think basketball would be what it is if most of them didn’t start until 18. Or football, golf, baseball. Bottom line, the majority of people playing the big sports are under 20. As a father of a nearly one year old son, I couldn’t imagine my son being a part of the dark underbelly of pool. Imagine what parents must think when they see the comment, ( I’ll flip you a coin for your gd net worth) on the biggest pool forum on the internet!!! Would you want your kids involved in that?? I want to teach my son about pool and raise him with honor and integrity. I want him to have the drive to be as good at something as he can and to give 110%. But I don’t want him involved in anything that would affect that honor and integrity. I don’t want him walking into someplace you have to watch your back for risk of death, or plotting to steal someone’s money on a pool game by way of trickery. Now All the things I have mentioned I have either done or been around. I wont dump by the way. So I am no better, But I do want better for him.
Now pool has always had gambling. But stop and think about the view people have about pool. An example: two years ago during the tar derby stream, someone stumbled in the stream and asked, “what channel is this, the redneck channel”……..that should some it up. When I tell my in-laws I am going to a big tournament, they give me this look of distain as if to say how low class. That is the general view of the pool from the world. No mater how much you think its not. Until we get pool out of the smoke filled bars and get the railbirds muzzled, pool will not change. I enjoy a good beer while playing a 100 dollar set as much as anyone, but its not helping pool. An alcoholic can’t imagine his world without booze. Same goes for gambling and pool players, but some of the most successful players in pool don’t gamble. But they are there at the top. Now challenge matches set up with backers is fun…fun to watch and fun to bet on, like a horse race. But sitting around the pool room hustling to make a living is not what our sport should be about. Bottom line, to be successful pool must be something young kids at the age of ten can pick up and learn like one would with golf , football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and so on a so forth. No sane parent would get there kid into pool in its current state. And that in my humble opinion is one of the biggest keys to improving pool as a sport. Now all of this is just my opinion and I mean no disrespect to anyone.
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If you go to the link for my website, which is in my signature you will see me standing amongst 4 pool tables that are in a classroom in Pasadena Texas. With the help of RKC I am putting pool tables in after school programs in the Houston area.

Earl Munson runs an awesome high school program in Dallas. Guys like Roy Pastor are running junior programs also.

I am convinced that an instructor could make a nice living teaching Juniors and running Junior tournaments if they had access to rooms without tobacco, booze and gambling.

Being a career educator I can sell billiards to schools every day of the week if I had time. I can't however convince room owners that kids are the way to go. They are stuck on beer, smoking and action.

It will change one day..... It must or it will go the way of the dinosaurs.
 
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I also have a billiards club with 24 kids and 2) 9 ft gold crowns in the Jr High I work in here in Normal Il. It is to bad I cannot refer them to this site but that would end my employment. I won't even log on from work.
 
When I'm at a tournament I feel like I'm at an AA convention or something lol. I picked up pool at bars... figured out that sinking the 8 legally before your opponent does you get free beer.... so it makes sense I guess lol.

Billiards is pretty boring and the traditional formats aren't really mainstreem friendly. What the sport needs is to be on TV a bit.... Its pretty tough like golf but it's nowhere near as classy. I'd bet that all that boils down to is money... My neighborhoods golf course is filled with bmw's, mercs, land rovers, etc, and my local pool halls are mostly filled with beaters and pickups... But thats not really the problem... hell, nascar turned out to be a pretty big thing all over the US and the drivers are making a killing. Whats different is that crashes and loud engines and high speeds are marketable so it brings in new viewers, but then again golf is extremely boring to watch yet the top pros can make 2-3 times more than the top basketball/football players.

So to sum it all up... it needs to be on TV, and the way tournaments are filmed and formatted is just f-ing retarded... like nobody really thought about how to market the sport. There are a couple questions that need to be addressed, and one of my questions thats always bugged me is where's coke, pepsi, or even aquafina? Where are those sponsors? Its a shame that many of our pros make about as much as burger king employees.
 
I also have a billiards club with 24 kids and 2) 9 ft gold crowns in the Jr High I work in here in Normal Il. It is to bad I cannot refer them to this site but that would end my employment. I won't even log on from work.

I was thinking of talking to the superintendents in the school system surrounding the pool hall I work for.. I brought it up with the owner and it turned out he had already tried to talk to someone at the high school and they're pretty convinced that it would do more harm than good.

edit: A man with a mustache who worked for the company I was working for found out I played pool somewhat religiously... turned out being one of the main reasons I was let go. Some people talk about pool as if its masturbation...
 
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I learned to play pool in some of the most run down dives you could set foot in. But the pool room I enjoy most is one that has no booze and 7 9 foot diamonds a snooker table and a couple of bar boxes....nothing but pool in the place
 
I think the idea of starting youth classes is good...the only problem is the pool world they would be getting into wouldn't be helping them....
 
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