The ZAN Premier tip???

Bob 14:1

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This is an adjunct to a thread I did two years ago when I asked if the, then newer, Kamui Clear tips were indeed a gimmick.
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=348189&highlight=kamui+clear+gimmick

The tip in question this time is the one shown below. And before the LePro, Milkdud guys proceed to pummel me to death, I'm indeed aware that this tip, no matter how good or bad, carries a hugely inflated price tag. My in-home play and my current skill set emphatically do not merit such a cost, but more on that absolute cost below.

I also highly doubt they're handmade by a group of Asian Elves, who in addition to being highly talented players, are also skilled leather workers. I'm however, intrigued by the use of pig and also what I always thought equated the same, hog leather. I actually think my main draw is the mention of high "elasticity." I had a new Moori Medium installed on my player, and I think it plays well and also plays with a soft hit which I prefer. Frozen rail shots, and shooting when jacked up seemed to have improved for me with the Moori. The Moori also has an elasticity, that at least I think I perceive, and I would like to stay in that general arena by at least considering this tip.

However, this time around it's a bit different when it comes to cost. I see Seyberts do not charge labor when one buys a new shaft if the customer wishes to do a tip upgrade. So to swap out this tip for the factory installed Everest on my upcoming OB-XL+, the exorbitant tip retail probably comes to the same price if I were to swap out the Everest for a $3 tip from a local cuesmith. This tip actually comes in less than $10 more than a Moori Medium via Seyberts.

Of course, my initial expected question is to whether any members know anything about this tip, or even better, may have used it, or heard anything about it?

Liking a soft hit, I wonder if I may end up with a combination that plays along the lines of a wet noodle when I combine such a tip with the soft OB hit, stacked maple ferrule? I believe some of this is perhaps an unnecessary worry, since it'll go on my rather stiff hitting Schon.

I've found Seyberts has a drop down window next to this tip. It's the area where one would normally select the usual degrees of tip hardness. This nomenclature is totally confusing; not S,M or H. If anyone has a clue as to this gibberish, I'd really appreciate knowing how to read it. It reads as follows: :shrug: :help:
https://www.seyberts.com/cue-tips/zan-premier-series-pool-cue-tips/

  • TIP HARDNESS
  • GRIP HARD ZANPGRIP
  • SOFT ZANPS
  • MAX ZANPMAX

zanpxx.jpg


The ZAN Premier tips are a high quality laminated leather tip composed of nine layers of pig and hog leather. For each hardness, specific leathers are used which gives ZAN tips solidity and high elasticity. Using this unique approach, ZAN tips holds chalk exceptionally well. This in turn gives the player maximum control and consistency, no matter what shot they have at the table. Zan tips are handmade by experienced leather workers who play professionally as well. The consistency and attention to detail are evidence to their dedication to making the finest cue tips in the world.

Price is for 1 tip
PRICE: $27.95 $25.16
 
Looks like a elk master that has been layered instead of just one piece. Since you like soft tips, have you tried just a plain ole .50 cent elk master?
 
Looks like a elk master that has been layered instead of just one piece. Since you like soft tips, have you tried just a plain ole .50 cent elk master?

With longevity in mind;; no I haven't. It's a real dog n pony show here to change out a tip locally. It reminds me though, have you? I wonder if the sides of these can be burnished?
 
With longevity in mind;; no I haven't. It's a real dog n pony show here to change out a tip locally. It reminds me though, have you? I wonder if the sides of these can be burnished?

Efren plays with an Elk Master :)
Some say he soakes them in milk and presses them 1st.
But in a recent interview, he denies that.

I bought a box of 50 $15 and installed them on the cues at our senior center.
 
The Zan is currently my 2nd favorite layered tip on the market.. The dye process and chemical process seem to make them a little more porous than many layered tips I have tested but they do test high in COR and hold up a little longer before they start to harden up...

Alex Pagulayan was playing with these when they came out but I have no way to know if he still is....

I don't even know if they are Japanese other than being made from japanese pigskin and being sold by a company out of Japan...

The whole reason layered tips exist was to use the japanese pigskin which is more elastic than the cow and buffalo and this fact was what led Mr Moori to change the game so to speak......
 
The Zan is currently my 2nd favorite layered tip on the market.. The dye process and chemical process seem to make them a little more porous than many layered tips I have tested but they do test high in COR and hold up a little longer before they start to harden up...

Alex Pagulayan was playing with these when they came out but I have no way to know if he still is....

I don't even know if they are Japanese other than being made from japanese pigskin and being sold by a company out of Japan...

The whole reason layered tips exist was to use the japanese pigskin which is more elastic than the cow and buffalo and this fact was what led Mr Moori to change the game so to speak......

Alex Pagulayan still plays with Zan tips. He cleans out Oscar Dominguez's inventory according to Oscar when he talks about Zan tips during his Mezz West Tour live streams. Oscar is a Zan distributor and wears the Zan patch when he plays.
 
The Zan is currently my 2nd favorite layered tip on the market.. The dye process and chemical process seem to make them a little more porous than many layered tips I have tested but they do test high in COR and hold up a little longer before they start to harden up...

Alex Pagulayan was playing with these when they came out but I have no way to know if he still is....

I don't even know if they are Japanese other than being made from japanese pigskin and being sold by a company out of Japan...

The whole reason layered tips exist was to use the japanese pigskin which is more elastic than the cow and buffalo and this fact was what led Mr Moori to change the game so to speak......


Have you tried Fuji tips from Longoni yet Chris?
 
Pigs are domesticated and Hogs run wild...

The Japanese pig is actually a breed that was developed by breeding local Japanese stock with the Berkshire pig from England which created a larger breed than was found in Japan prior.....

The skin is very tight grained and has a very high elasticity.... When Moori came out they cornered the market for the skin but at this point based on the limited supply of skin vs the number of companies using it who knows....

I find it funny that Kamui talks about different parts of the skin being better but they won't say that is what they use they just tell you what parts are better.... If they were able to use the best parts all the time they would be telling you all about it... Thanks to China the demand exceeds supply.. You wonder why quality changed? That's your answer... Moori and Kamui can no longer pick and choose.....
 
With longevity in mind;; no I haven't. It's a real dog n pony show here to change out a tip locally. It reminds me though, have you? I wonder if the sides of these can be burnished?

Yes, I've used them. Not often, as I'm not a huge fan of really soft tips. Now days I shoot with a milk dud (pressed elk master is the most common type) from pooldawg8 more than anything.

I've known quite a few people that shoot with elk masters, and from personal experience, they hold up ok for such a soft tip.
 
The Zan is currently my 2nd favorite layered tip on the market.. The dye process and chemical process seem to make them a little more porous than many layered tips I have tested but they do test high in COR and hold up a little longer before they start to harden up...

I'm struggling with a tenuous grasp, if any at all, regarding the Coefficient of Restitution. It will little affect my mediocre game, but I'm just fascinated by physics since it is such an integral element of the game.

Am I at all on track thinking a 70% COR, means the tip transfers 70% of my stroke and cue energy onto the object ball, or is it a relative measure of the tip's elasticity, or then maybe both?

MOST IMPORTANTLY, since you've had some experience with the Zan product line, can you enlighten me as to what the nuances are of these 3 tip configurations that Seyberts lists below on their web site? (Soft, max, grip hard???) :shrug: Thanks a million!!! :bow-down:

TIP HARDNESS
:confused: :scratchhead:
GRIP HARD ZANPGRIP
SOFT ZANPS
MAX ZANPMAX
 
Quality tips, I`ve installed about 50 or so by now.
I love the feel of the Premium Soft and that`s what I use myself.
But I have installed all the Zan tips and the 3 cushion players and those who like a firm tip love the Grip Hard and the Hybrid Max.
 
Pigs are domesticated and Hogs run wild...

The skin is very tight grained and has a very high elasticity....


Nah.....better read up on that before making opinion based statements and making them sound as if they're factual.
 
Quality tips, I`ve installed about 50 or so by now.
I love the feel of the Premium Soft and that`s what I use myself.
But I have installed all the Zan tips and the 3 cushion players and those who like a firm tip love the Grip Hard and the Hybrid Max.



Since you've had some experience with the Zan product line, can you enlighten me as to what the nuances are of these 3 tip configurations that Seyberts lists below on their web site? :shrug:(Soft, max, grip hard???) Soft, I understand and Max I'm guessing would be Hard? I don't have a clue what Grip Hard means... :scratchhead:

Thanks a million!!!


TIP HARDNESS
GRIP HARD ZANPGRIP
SOFT ZANPS
MAX ZANPMAX
 
Since you've had some experience with the Zan product line, can you enlighten me as to what the nuances are of these 3 tip configurations that Seyberts lists below on their web site? :shrug:(Soft, max, grip hard???) Soft, I understand and Max I'm guessing would be Hard? I don't have a clue what Grip Hard means... :scratchhead:

Thanks a million!!!


TIP HARDNESS
GRIP HARD ZANPGRIP
SOFT ZANPS
MAX ZANPMAX

I can.
Zan + comes in Soft, Medium and Hard. S and M is 9 layers, H is 8 layers.
Zan Premium Soft is 9 layers, and slightly softer than the Zan + Soft.
The Grip Hard is a hard tip, but holds chalk better than most hard tips.
Hybrid Max combines Medium and Soft layers of pig skin.

Grip Hard and Hybrid Max are really popular with 3 cushion players.

All Zan tips hold their shape really well and don`t clog up or glaze over the same way another popular brand has a tendency to do.
 
I can.
Zan + comes in Soft, Medium and Hard. S and M is 9 layers, H is 8 layers.
Zan Premium Soft is 9 layers, and slightly softer than the Zan + Soft.
The Grip Hard is a hard tip, but holds chalk better than most hard tips.
Hybrid Max combines Medium and Soft layers of pig skin.

Grip Hard and Hybrid Max are really popular with 3 cushion players.

All Zan tips hold their shape really well and don`t clog up or glaze over the same way another popular brand has a tendency to do.

Thank yo soooo much, Kim. I'm thinking 'cause I play only straight pool, that I'll opt for the Premium Soft. You da man!!! :wave2:
 
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